Phantasmagoria starts shooting

[fashionken]

Just thought I'd inform you all that the status of "Phantasmagoria: The Visions of Lewis Carroll" has changed from "Pre Production" to "Filming" on The Internet Movie Database (Imdb.com) as of Monday, September 4th.

The normal filming period for a two-hour movie is about sixteen weeks. It'll be interesting to see if Lily Cole will maintain her normal amount of appearances at the coming fashion weeks this month and the next. We should probably look out for Manson plus wife as well.

[Tigger]

Yeah, but you're forgetting that IMDB is as reliable as Wikipedia.

[Norsefire]

over the past few months I keep reading manson is in the uk and sometimes in france, although the sources arnt totally legit I think filming started a while ago.

[mexicanfiend]

Well, if he's not filming it by now... We'll keep waiting the twilight of all the projects for a long, long time...

[SajBot]

Originally posted by Tigger
Yeah, but you're forgetting that IMDB is as reliable as Wikipedia.

You are completely wrong

[.new.model.]

Originally posted by SajBot
You are completely wrong

Good job backing up your argument.

However, you are wrong, sir. Both websites accept user information. Hence, false information is a high possibility.

[spookykid520]

I like Wikipedia !

[Chávz]

Also, keep in mind that Wikipedia articles cite their references at the bottom. And when they don't, there's a little blue box telling you that the article doesn't cite its sources.

IMDB, on the other hand, does not.

[jester]

I am done waiting for anything Manson related.

[Queen_Alice]

Don't question Wikipedia or Wikipedia will question you LOL.

[j_absinthe]

I wonder how Lily's gonna do this AND her runway shows in Paris.

[OBSCENE(S)AINT]

I'm going to think on a logial path that may or may not be correct

Having taken this long to start filming (when apparently he was going to start it all a few weeks back) I would imagine he has taken time to
1) complete, or at least fine tune his next album
2) was working on, or completeing a new series of paintings for a forthcoming exhibition
3) has been working on designs, concepts and pre production ideas and designs for the film
4) been spending a little bit of time with his wife

I dont rely on internet source news, I rely on what he has said, and using my idea of what people would be doing to get that "thing" done to determine what he may or may not be doing, and how long it may take to get said things done.

No doubt that if he isn't being photographed at a fashion show, premier or boasting about what he's doing... Chances are he's busy DOING what he's been talking about

I like it when he's being quite. It usually means he's working on something or being creative (I hope)

[priestkillcop]

Originally posted by jester
I am done waiting for anything Manson related.

I relate to this. I knew the last article I read where he promised a million projects in a short time and i'm like yeah right. I'm more interested in talking about what the band has done. I'm still interested in real news but it always seems the only news anymore is manson at some premiere and here are the pictures. I hope he keeps creating art but now I'll be just as patient for new manson stuff as I am NIN stuff.

[DEADSEXorcist]

16 weeks? I think not.

[SajBot]

Originally posted by .new.model.
Good job backing up your argument.

However, you are wrong, sir. Both websites accept user information. Hence, false information is a high possibility.

You are completely wrong! I'm not ashamed to repeat myself

[Milles]

Maybe they are in the U.K. dita was on the front cover of... I think it was "The sun"? today or some other newspaper like that.

[Gara Ganymede]

Originally posted by spookykid520
I like Wikipedia !
I love vandalising it, getting banned for a few hours,, then coming back to write more foul language!

[Norsefire]

Yer well I think hes been filmiing this for quite a few weeks now. I know that if I was in Mansons position and had this film in my project list I would want to get on with it because of how fun it sounds, We will get official news when mansons ready to give it, most likely a source such as MTV will put something out rather than mm.com.

[.new.model.]

Originally posted by SajBot
You are completely wrong! I'm not ashamed to repeat myself

Is this supposed to be humor?

[adamsrib]

Originally posted by .new.model.
Is this supposed to be humor? I think it's his attempt at getting in the last word but since he has nothing to say, the result was rather embarassing for him.

[zimmzumm]

Originally posted by Tigger
Yeah, but you're forgetting that IMDB is as reliable as Wikipedia.

wikipedia is TOTALLY reliable.

did you know that the starfish that raped jeff corwin to death in mexico was actually trained by the cia!?

[AliceInOz]

I am done waiting for anything Manson related.

Agreed...

[HollowHate]

*sighs*... fuck man, see... haha, im not being pushy and shit, but seriously, i wish mansons page would just give news you know?..... you so can't trust imdb.com :-S

[hawnted]

I think theres alot of news out there..
I think the problem is that you are looking for
someone to GIVE you something..
Maybe.. you should look at information as something
to be sought and not "spoon-fed" (forgive my archaic gothism).

I'm just saying.. maybe you'd be happier if you tried
finding something instead of waiting for them to fall
in your lap?

I think if you're looking for something to say
ENDORSED BY MARILYN MANSON™
you're beat... cause I'm pretty sure that's not
what the CC is about.

[CoMa_84]

Originally posted by jester
I am done waiting for anything Manson related.

well then wtf are you doing here?

[Dope Toy]

Originally posted by zimmzumm
wikipedia is TOTALLY reliable.

did you know that the starfish that raped jeff corwin to death in mexico was actually trained by the cia!?


JEFF CORWIN IS DEAD ??!!!!

Oh my god, first the Crocodile Hunter now this..

[hawnted]

Originally posted by Dope Toy
JEFF CORWIN IS DEAD ??!!!!

Oh my god, first the Crocodile Hunter now this..
hahaha

[HollowHate]

Originally posted by hawnted
I think theres alot of news out there..
I think the problem is that you are looking for
someone to GIVE you something..
Maybe.. you should look at information as something
to be sought and not "spoon-fed" (forgive my archaic gothism).

I'm just saying.. maybe you'd be happier if you tried
finding something instead of waiting for them to fall
in your lap?

I think if you're looking for something to say
ENDORSED BY MARILYN MANSON™
you're beat... cause I'm pretty sure that's not
what the CC is about.
.....Yeah im looking for someone to give me some news. Manson. I have been seeking the news out.. im not a damn moron...i've been an avid Manson fan for a decade now.

I see the news in the forms of updates, images and refrences to iconic things that will make the new album. Im aware of the formulas used.

But its time now, i'd like to hear a little something from him.

This is where someone slips in " He's got a busy life, he's got shit to do, he is not here to entertain you all the time. "....

Rock on, im aware of this to, and respect that. But he does have fans that would like to hear a little something now and then.

[fashionken]

Originally posted by HollowHate
.....Yeah im looking for someone to give me some news. Manson. I have been seeking the news out.. im not a damn moron...i've been an avid Manson fan for a decade now.

I see the news in the forms of updates, images and refrences to iconic things that will make the new album. Im aware of the formulas used.

But its time now, i'd like to hear a little something from him.

This is where someone slips in " He's got a busy life, he's got shit to do, he is not here to entertain you all the time. "....

Rock on, im aware of this to, and respect that. But he does have fans that would like to hear a little something now and then.

I agree with you. Although it's our own choice to spend all this time on Manson, it would still be nice to be recognised once in a while. I'm not saying he has to go on Larry King every night... a simple message on his website would do.

[HollowHate]

Originally posted by fashionken
I agree with you. Although it's our own choice to spend all this time on Manson, it would still be nice to be recognised once in a while. I'm not saying he has to go on Larry King every night... a simple message on his website would do.
Agreed. i mean, i don't expect him to turn on "manson" 24/7 for us at all. I've just been diein to hear ah little something about "The new shit" .

[NewModelNo15]

Yay, I am SO excited... maybe if he had this same attitude about music as he does for movies, he would have put out a fucking album before he started this shit.

[fug]

He's got a busy life, he's got shit to do, he is not here to entertain you all the time.

[zimmzumm]

Originally posted by Dope Toy
JEFF CORWIN IS DEAD ??!!!!

Oh my god, first the Crocodile Hunter now this..

*butthead voice*
Huh huh, You're a dumbass.

[HollowHate]

Originally posted by fug
He's got a busy life, he's got shit to do, he is not here to entertain you all the time.
...We already went over this and agreed with that.

[Miss Lisa]

Mister, if you read this thread (and for anyone else really), the translation for MansonNew (http://www.mansonnew.info/) :

"Some good news: the shooting of 'Phantasmagoria: The Visions Of Lewis Carroll' has just begun in France at the Arpageon studios, and Johnny Depp is thought to be taking part in the project. Alain de la Malta and Wild side are taking charge of the production. The film will be released in America at the end of 2007, and doubtless will be released in Europe in early 2008."

So a bloody long wait then :-(

[Miss Lisa]

By the way, that was posted on September 16th.

[NeoN66]

Merely a question out of curiousity: how reliable IS MansonNew? Or that message?

[Miss Lisa]

I'm really not sure. I've just read a new post there and it's misinterpreted something from an English interview about Manson and Dita not wanting kids. However, since the filming is in France, that may be more reliable.

[NeoN66]

However, weren't Ireland and Portugal named as the shooting locatins?

[Miss Lisa]

Maybe there are several. I know Manson's favourite city is in Portugal, and he obviously likes Ireland because he got married there...

[MindRelapse]

Originally posted by jester
I am done waiting for anything Manson related.

Amen. When it comes, it comes.

[Welovehate]

His wife does not seem so hot to me,a normal girl.
And one can't fuck forever it's boring if too much.

[Church Owl]

Originally posted by stlisafer
Maybe there are several. I know Manson's favourite city is in Portugal, and he obviously likes Ireland because he got married there...

I didn't know his favourite city is in Portugal o_O any chances you or anybody else knowing more precisely which? In Boca do Inferno (literally translated,Hell's Mouth) there's a reference to Aleister Crowley being there, so I wouldn't be surprised if Manson was there too, but that has actually nothing big to see, and is no way a city,so it's impossible to be it.

[Miss Lisa]

He did give the name of the city... I'll try to find it again.

[Church Owl]

Ok. Thanks in advance ;)

[NeoN66]

Originally posted by wesleyscrivens

Manson isnt sitting around making secret web sites
hes not all like "Sorry hun not to night I have to add a secret # to my web site so my fans dont get bord waiting for me"
Fuck that
have you people seen his wife???
Hes fucking that every night,
Hes waking up in the morning not having a care in the world
painting a pic of a flower or some shit with his water colors
You know what I stress this to much
Look at his wife,
If i hade a girlfriend or even a fuck buddy that looked like that
I'd spend all the time in the world with her
If I had fans I'd say Fuck them
and knowing my fans they would understand....
One last thing so every one know now why hes taking so long
He doesnt care about his fans as much as you think he does
you guys are all waiting with ur cocks hanging outta your pants for somthing new, you get one little clue on this web site and ur all over it like flys on shit, he doesnt fucken care, im sure hes not on this message bord giving hints cause he really doesnt care...
And if he is on here that MANSON get off this and go Fuck ur wife or I will!

In dire need of an actual girlfriend? Or are you simply a nihilist?

As for the people asking about the location:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantasmagoria:_The_Visions_of_Lewis_Carroll

[Miss Lisa]

Sintra, that's it!

[Church Owl]

Hm, Sintra is actually a really nice place =) Thanks!

[NeoN66]

Crivens, I can't speak for others, but can you spare me your illiterate and unnecessary flaming, please? It only takes up space in interesting threads.

[adamsrib]

Originally posted by wesleyscrivens
grow up Said the nineteen year old to the twenty two year old.

[Hellhammer]

I hope the film gets done soon

[titdemon]

Tiffany (a Mansonnew webmaster) have spoken with dita von teese in her site and she said that she doesn't want to play in Phantasmagoria (but jodorowsky'd like...)

here the french news:

Tiffany (une fan en lien avec Dita) qui travaille avec nous vient de nous communiquer une info plus que sympa: Alexandro jodorowsky souhaitait voir Dita Von Teese dans Phantasmagoria, Dita a bien évidemment refusé l'offre car selon elle le rôle était trop dur et qu'elle ne voulait pas jouer dans le même film que son mari, Phantasmagoria.

source here (http://mansonnew.info)

[Nine]

some more pics from the film HERE (http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2006/03/first_shots_from_marilyn_manso.html)

[[psycho]logical]

Originally posted by Nine
some more pics from the film HERE (http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2006/03/first_shots_from_marilyn_manso.html)

Amazing. Those were the first shots released to the public after the teaser trailer was shown, where those images are taken from. Manson has already stated that the footage used in that teaser probably won't appear in the finished product.

[Polo]

from the wikipedia link posted:
"Manson does mention the possibility of there being at least one unoriginal song used in one of the films: "There's a song that's a huge influence on the way the movie ends called 'In Every Dream Home A Heartache' by Roxy Music, and it very well might make its way into a film, which would be very odd because it's a '70s song in a 19th century film."
i never knew that before. i've been listening to roxy music a lot lately. bryan ferry is a tosser but roxy music made a lot of intricate, distinctive, classy music. and brian eno has always been an innovator. him and pogo should collaborate on something.

'In Every Dream Home A Heartache' is quite haunting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_Every_Dream_Home_A_Heartache


*listens to Mother of Pearl*

(if you're looking for love/ in a looking glass world/ it's pretty hard to find)

edit: here's roxy on youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F2X5Qrgo0Y&mode=related&search=)

[Stephen Bitch]

In Every Dreamhome... reminds me of the story in Manson's autobigraphy about the blowup doll. Chances are it was probably an influence.

[hawnted]

"It's about Lewis Carroll and how he became a persona much more bizarre and elaborate than Marilyn Manson," he said of the film, which has been put on hold until the end of the year so he can finish his sixth album. "Charles Dodson was his real name, and he was a person who had a tortured inability to find love and to find happiness in his life, and his story is one of great depression. It's one of a split personality — a person who was deaf in his right ear and left-handed. He was a mathematician and an artist, a deacon in a church who believed in evolution. I relate to him."


Manson also revealed that "Abelcain," a film he'd hoped to work on with Chilean director Alejandro Jodorowski, has been suspended for the time being. Set in a post-apocalyptic world, the sequel to Jodorowski's "El Topo" was to star Manson as Cain, who teams up with his long-lost brother, Abel, to battle an enemy adept at technological witchery so that they can overcome the curse that marks their destiny — or something like that.


okay enough... read it yourself
http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1513046/11042005/story.jhtml
[edit]

hahahha I kept reading.. man this site is getting
owned by MTV
what kind of fans are you?!

[Damian]

Originally posted by hawnted
hahahha I kept reading.. man this site is getting
owned by MTV
what kind of fans are you?! Your about a year late. That's news from 2005.

[hawnted]

Originally posted by Damian
Your about a year late. That's news from 2005.

Late for what?

I've not seen any discussion of ANY of these MTV urls anywhere..

but I am still searching.. for.. even the remotest reference...

there was this one guy who used to call himself abelcainabsinthe or something on some other board.. hrm..

maybe you remember something ?

[Green_Foetus]

On September 28th, The Paris Region Support Fund officially granted Marilyn Manson a 373,000 euros subvention for the production of Phantasmagoria (that's more than 400,000 dollars)
As this kind of funding is allocated only to shootings set to take place in the Paris region, this tends to confirm that the movie is being or will soon be shot at Arpajon Studios in France.

[Gen Appithy]

wikiwiki

The first film is also reported to get a viewing in the Berlin Film Festival in late 2006.

but it's in feb. wikiwiki can't even get basic things right. who knows what if anything it says about the movie is right.