‡Mandatory Draft 6/6/6‡

[Saklas]

Mandatory Draft Bill
Snuck In - To Be
Debated 6-6-6
6-4-6

On February 14, 2006, Congressman Charles Rangel (Democrat - NY) introduced a bill (Universal National Service Act of 2006 - HR 4752 IH) aiming at drafting everyone - men and women alike - from the ages of 18 to 42 into the military for a minimum period of 2 years.

Or to quote the bill: "To provide for the common defense by requiring all persons in the United States, including women, between the ages of 18 and 42 to perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes."

The House is to convene on June 6 (06/06/06] to debate and possibly adopt this bill, that is, unless a vast public outcry succeeds in derailing this insanity, which you can do by writing a letter of protest to your congress person through

http://www.conservativeusa.org/mega-cong.htm or http://www.webslingerz.com/jhoffman/congress-email.html

Phone calls are even better. The numbers of all US Representatives are at:

http://clerk.house.gov/members/index.html


If you question the validity of this bill, go to:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h109-4752 http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:H.R.4752

[TERROJA]

The republicans would never get behind such a bill.

1. They love their "all-volunteer" army.

2. They know that the public outcry would be tremendous.

Would you liberals please stop scare-mongering and just stick to the actual evils that the cuntservatives have been up to?

[KrazzyJoe]

Originally posted by TERROJA
The republicans would never get behind such a bill.

1. They love their "all-volunteer" army.

2. They know that the public outcry would be tremendous.

Would you liberals please stop scare-mongering and just stick to the actual evils that the cuntservatives have been up to?

Aye

Though I still think a draft is possible, I think they'd be more sneaky about it and call it something else like a free ice cream freedom party pickup.

[maugan_ra_3rd]

0_o scary stuff, but as TERROJA pointed out, that would be political suicide; the US public already despise their administration enough, no-ones so stupid as to introduce conscription.

[PersonalJesus13]

The U.S is full of shit.

[Oamlhtw]

Originally posted by PersonalJesus13
The U.S is full of shit. Do you listen to Green Day?

[Pigist Christ]

Originally posted by PersonalJesus13
The U.S is full of shit.

[Necrophilip]

We have mandatory military service here. There's just one difference...about 290 million inhabitants.

I'm not going though, so I'm prolly going to do 13 months of civil service or 6 months jail. Haven't picked my perk yet.

[MsFit]

There's not going to be a mandatory draft. It's too easy to get out now as it is. They don't want you if you don't want to be there because if you don't want to be there you are going to be more trouble than what you are worth.

However, if the country puts itself in a position where it goes to war with Iran and we're still having it out with Iraq and Afghanistan, then the draft could become mandatory. I'm hoping Bush isn't that stupid.

There's no need to worry about mandatory drafting at this time. If the government had an emergency and needed more people, they could reinstate the draft tomorrow on an emergent basis without much of a debate at all. Any debates you might see now regarding a draft are just for "public show".

[iwtv]

Originally posted by maugan_ra_3rd
0_o scary stuff, but as TERROJA pointed out, that would be political suicide; the US public already despise their administration enough, no-ones so stupid as to introduce conscription.

Agreed. And if something along those lines were to happen, I'd fucking protest it. I'm not going to "war." Period.

[TheBurk]

if there is a draft im joinin the airforce.

[MsFit]

Originally posted by TheBurk
if there is a draft im joinin the airforce.

Judging from your stoner-looking "angry face", they wouldn't allow you in the military. They would have you stereotyped before hand, pegging you for a stoner, laughing at the lieutinent when he tells you to drop and give him 50. You'd be like, "uh... 50 what?... huh huh..." You'd sit at the mess hall table with your elbows on the table and the drill sargent would tell you, "Do you think your at home, boy?" You'd look at him all dumb and say, "huh? uuuuhhhh.. homeboy? heh heh heh... no man.. homeboy's house doesn't look anything like this."

[Angelina Fish]

if i am ever drafted my first comment to who ever comes to get me will be:
"i will indiscriminatly murder any man, woman or child between me and returning to my wife. i will happily commit genocide and any other crime against humanity to come home alive."

i'll probably add more horrors i'll commit if drafted by the time they come for me.

but i definately wont pass a piss test, physical and psych exam give, so it's all probably moot.

[svper5tar]

I'm so happy I don't live in America. I'm also very happy that I'm not American.

[Angelina Fish]

Originally posted by svper5tar
I'm so happy I don't live in America. I'm also very happy that I'm not American.

dont worry, just a mater of time before we come getcha.

[cyborg assassin]

The irony of American conscription was that it was one of the most liberal and best loved presidents of all time, FDR, who introduced it, while it was one of the most conservative and reviled presidents of all time, Nixon, that repealed it. Another irony is that the last time it was seriously was reconsidered was by the Carter administration, again a very liberal president, while the subsequent presidency, another archconservative, Ronald Reagan, trashed over any return of the draft.

People are way too harsh on Nixon, and probably Reagan too.

[TheBurk]

Originally posted by cyborg assassin
The irony of American conscription was that it was one of the most liberal and best loved presidents of all time, FDR, who introduced it, while it was one of the most conservative and reviled presidents of all time, Nixon, that repealed it. Another irony is that the last time it was seriously was reconsidered was by the Carter administration, again a very liberal president, while the subsequent presidency, another archconservative, Ronald Reagan, trashed over any return of the draft.

People are way too harsh on Nixon, and probably Reagan too.

ya i mean they only broke tons of laws they cant be all bad.

[cyborg assassin]

Originally posted by TheBurk
ya i mean they only broke tons of laws they cant be all bad.

Their achievements in office were of far more worth.

Nixon ended the Vietnam War, a war it should be noted the democrats plunged America into (again two arch liberals- Kennedy and Johnson), masterfully reconciled China to play the Chinese off against the Soviets. It should be noted that FDR is lauded by historians for lying to congress before Pearl Harbour about how much American help was going to Britain and the Soviet Union, so really I don't really see why Nixon is shit on for lying about bombing Cambodia to pressurise Hanoi.

Reagan for his part played a massive factor in reconciling the USa with the Soviets when Gorbachev got to power, and helped emnd the cold war. He also achieved it with very little blood, only using the US military sparingly during his presidency- you saw no Iraqs, Bosnias, Somalias, Kosovos and other quagmires while he was in power.

[TERROJA]

Originally posted by cyborg assassin
The irony of American conscription was that it was one of the most liberal and best loved presidents of all time, FDR, who introduced it, while it was one of the most conservative and reviled presidents of all time, Nixon, that repealed it. Another irony is that the last time it was seriously was reconsidered was by the Carter administration, again a very liberal president, while the subsequent presidency, another archconservative, Ronald Reagan, trashed over any return of the draft.

People are way too harsh on Nixon, and probably Reagan too.

The reason Nixon repealed it was because of the unpopularity of the Vietnam war. The conservatives knew that it would be harder to start wars if people were going to protest them so vehemently. I mean, do you think America would be in Iraq right now if there were still a draft? Not likely.

[Nicolae]

I wouldn't mind being drafted. My ass looks killer in army pants!

[TERROJA]

Originally posted by Nicolae
I wouldn't mind being drafted. My ass looks killer in army pants!

Plus it would be funny to watch your head explode and your brains . . . or whatever you have . . . spatter against the wall.

[cyborg assassin]

Originally posted by TERROJA
The reason Nixon repealed it was because of the unpopularity of the Vietnam war. The conservatives knew that it would be harder to start wars if people were going to protest them so vehemently. I mean, do you think America would be in Iraq right now if there were still a draft? Not likely.

No, but then again I doubt either Nixon or Reagan would have ever embarked on a war like that in Iraq. Both were more realistic and pragmatic than the Bush administration has been. I doubt either would have got enbroiled in Clinton' s little wars trying to keep neanderthals in Somalia and Yugoslavia from killing each other. Nixon was not sentimental enough. Reagan became opposed to such missions after the debacle in Lebanon.

[Nicolae]

Originally posted by TERROJA
Plus it would be funny to watch your head explode and your brains . . . or whatever you have . . . spatter against the wall.

<3

My head is full of cum, sillykins.

[TERROJA]

Originally posted by cyborg assassin
No, but then again I doubt either Nixon or Reagan would have ever embarked on a war like that in Iraq. Both were more realistic and pragmatic than the Bush administration has been. I doubt either would have got enbroiled in Clinton' s little wars trying to keep neanderthals in Somalia and Yugoslavia from killing each other. Nixon was not sentimental enough. Reagan became opposed to such missions after the debacle in Lebanon.

Nixon and Reagan were both very impressive presidents from a foreign relations perspective. When it came to domestic issues, Nixon was good but perceived poorly and Reagan was poor but perceived well. Ultimately--Reagan was a superior politician and Nixon was a superior president.

Clinton is a great politician, but was a pretty mediocre president.

[TheBurk]

Originally posted by cyborg assassin
No, but then again I doubt either Nixon or Reagan would have ever embarked on a war like that in Iraq. Both were more realistic and pragmatic than the Bush administration has been. I doubt either would have got enbroiled in Clinton' s little wars trying to keep neanderthals in Somalia and Yugoslavia from killing each other. Nixon was not sentimental enough. Reagan became opposed to such missions after the debacle in Lebanon.

ya which is why reagan gave saddam arms and ammo right? lets not forget the contras, afghanistan, and all the little wars reagan and bush sr. were involved in in central america. reagan did far more then his fair share of war making.

[Eris23]

I just want the whole world to die.

[Mercury SS]

Originally posted by Eris23
I just want the whole world to die.


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[maugan_ra_3rd]

Originally posted by TERROJA
The reason Nixon repealed it was because of the unpopularity of the Vietnam war. The conservatives knew that it would be harder to start wars if people were going to protest them so vehemently. I mean, do you think America would be in Iraq right now if there were still a draft? Not likely.

Can't expect a cuntservative pop-fascist to think that far ahead, now can you?

[TERROJA]

Originally posted by maugan_ra_3rd
Can't expect a cuntservative pop-fascist to think that far ahead, now can you?

He's shown a better grasp of history than you have (Or I have, for that matter).

[ADingoAteMyBaby]

Originally posted by TheBurk
ya which is why reagan gave saddam arms and ammo right? lets not forget the contras, afghanistan, and all the little wars reagan and bush sr. were involved in in central america. reagan did far more then his fair share of war making.

You've been watching to many Micheal Moore movies.




GET ON THE AIMZ!

[Komaschwarz]

Given America's level of physical fitness, I would assume that more than 70% of all applicants would be immediately disqualified.

[TERROJA]

Originally posted by Komaschwarz
Given America's level of physical fitness, I would assume that more than 70% of all applicants would be immediately disqualified.

Thank god for McDonalds.

[cyborg assassin]

Originally posted by TheBurk
ya which is why reagan gave saddam arms and ammo right? lets not forget the contras, afghanistan, and all the little wars reagan and bush sr. were involved in in central america. reagan did far more then his fair share of war making.

No American troops were sent to fight those wars. Big big difference.

[TheBurk]

Originally posted by cyborg assassin
No American troops were sent to fight those wars. Big big difference.

operation just cause? there were plenty of CIA operatives doing dirty things in central american and even in afghanistan.

[cyborg assassin]

Originally posted by TheBurk
operation just cause? there were plenty of CIA operatives doing dirty things in central american and even in afghanistan.

CIA operatives are not soldiers. Are you that dumb to not know the difference? The CIA is not the Army, not the Marines, not the Airforce, and not the Navy.

[Oamlhtw]

Originally posted by Komaschwarz
Given America's level of physical fitness, I would assume that more than 70% of all applicants would be immediately disqualified. I remember when you signed up to do co-op with the military in high school and couldn't pass the manditory push-ups test. Or at least, that's what I heard. Don't shoot the messenger.

[Saklas]

well, in my opinion, im not so worried about the bill being adopted. Im just realy offended that such a bill would even be introduced. IF the bill were to pass, the whole premis of "freedom" would fly out the window, because you wouldnt be born "free" but into commitment.
You know, the only there are only 2 instances of the hand over the heart thing in history. Thats the USA and the roman empire... Look how it fell. AmeriKa is falling. I'm afraid it's only going to get worse from here on out.
For fucks sake, I went to a NIN show last night, at an ampitheatre, OUTSIDE and could not smoke a fucking Cig so smoking a J was out of the question..... What kind of "Freedom" is this? Because the venue owner sure as shit wasn't "free" to choose whether or not he/she wanted to allow smoking in their venue, no, the government told them they couldnt.

[Komaschwarz]

Originally posted by Oamlhtw
Don't shoot the messenger.

Don't believe everything you hear either. Friends of mine who ran MBE offerred me a co-op position there, and I accepted, and turned the military co-op down for two reasons. One, I didn't like the other students going into the co-op program, and two - I was quite lazy and thought that getting two credits for making business cards all day would be much more enjoyable than a 40 minute daily walk at 7 am to a place where I'd be yelled at all day, and quite likely, expelled from.

EDIT: Mind you it wasn't a wise decision - the summer job I hoped on getting out of MBE never came to fruition, so I lost out on some money by not going that avenue.

[blood_soaked]

Luckily, I'd never be drafted.

Thank God for my mental illness, physical problem, and homosexuality.

[Saklas]

Originally posted by blood_soaked
Luckily, I'd never be drafted.

Thank God for my mental illness, physical problem, and homosexuality.

Damn right... boy, if i got drafted id walk in the office looking like the worst transexual crackhead youve ever seen!!

[Sinnamon]

bring it on...i've completed 1 1/2 already.