So I've heard/seen many people say "God is a statistic" while discussing their belief in god, or whether He exists and so on....
I happen to know that Manson has used this saying in Posthuman (I think thats the song..) so thinking about this got me really frustrated......what exactly does it mean? Statistic? How?? I'm just not smart enough to get it...does someone want to explain?
I think he just wants a piece of that Cherry Pie... well, at least I do! MMMMMMM!
$üpê®HïêrÕ
05-28-2005, 09:41 PM
its quite simple.
marilyn manson says that god is a statistic.
in the fight song he says that "the death of millions is just a statistic"
therefore, the logical conclusion is that God = the death of millions
TimothySkold6
05-28-2005, 10:42 PM
People believe in something that they have never ever seen before in their life. They believe in something that was written in a book many, many, many, many years ago and that has changed over time, but they still believe in it and live it day by day.
How do you know god even exists? Have you met him or her before?
So in a sense he's saying god is a statistic like the easter bunny and flying reindeer and santa claus are. Just like the dead body counts. They're just stats. It's just something written on a piece of paper that people believe in.
"The death of one is a tragedy. The death of one is just a statistic"
You take a line like that and you can interpret it as saying the death of jesus was a tragedy but everything after. The millions upon millions, probably somewhere over many billions of people that have died since then is just a stat. It means nothing to what the death of jesus meant. Everything is just words on paper showing the stats.
Look at something like a baseball scorecard. There's stats in there about how many times they were up to bat, or how many hits they had or homeruns. Just information on the game whether you saw it or not.
I'm just rambling... I hope that made some sense... If not... Oh well, figure it out yourself.
Calculations
05-29-2005, 12:00 AM
Originally posted by $üpê®HïêrÕ
its quite simple.
marilyn manson says that god is a statistic.
in the fight song he says that "the death of millions is just a statistic"
therefore, the logical conclusion is that God = the death of millions
Hey! I never noticed that!
Good call! seriously.
*Proud* *Proud*
$üpê®HïêrÕ
05-29-2005, 12:00 AM
god is a statistic means that there is a level at which you will be considered god. its like a power level. once you get to a number that no one can count to or understand they'll be like wow he's god.
Komaschwarz
05-29-2005, 09:42 AM
http://www.awitness.org/bloody/iraq/5us.jpg
glitteratiesque
05-29-2005, 03:31 PM
that's fucking sick and really uncalled for.
Komaschwarz
05-29-2005, 03:32 PM
Originally posted by glitteratiesque
that's fucking sick and really uncalled for.
It's called for when people try to oversimplify a concept.
Dr_noswad
05-29-2005, 03:34 PM
god, when adamsrib gets back...
Komaschwarz
05-29-2005, 03:35 PM
Originally posted by Dr_noswad
god, when adamsrib gets back...
When Jesus returns, fire and brimestone shall acompany him, and we shall all tremble in the 2nd wake.
Dr_noswad
05-29-2005, 03:39 PM
Originally posted by Legato
Adamsrib is gone, so this place is pretty much left un-moded without him.
:)
And yeay the second wake, i look forward to it *coughs*
mandyko13
05-29-2005, 07:50 PM
God doesn't exist.
People think it exists because.... well..... it's hard to explain.
Many people think God exists also if he doesn't... but, in fact... this thought makes God exist. Do you get it?
For example, some centuries ago people thought that by giving money to the Holy Church they would go to heaven... also if it wasn't true, they believed it, 'cause everyone believed it. That's it. I hope you understand this.
And that about the statistic.... it's nonsense. Listen to "The fight song", at least there is something behind it.
TimothySkold6
05-29-2005, 08:11 PM
Originally posted by mandyko13
God doesn't exist.
People think it exists because.... well..... it's hard to explain.
Many people think God exists also if he doesn't... but, in fact... this thought makes God exist. Do you get it?
For example, some centuries ago people thought that by giving money to the Holy Church they would go to heaven... also if it wasn't true, they believed it, 'cause everyone believed it. That's it. I hope you understand this.
And that about the statistic.... it's nonsense. Listen to "The fight song", at least there is something behind it.
Have you ever seriously thought about not posting?
$üpê®HïêrÕ
05-30-2005, 12:27 AM
god is whatever you want it to be.
guillaume
03-08-2006, 11:40 AM
Originally posted by glitteratiesque
So I've heard/seen many people say "God is a statistic" while discussing their belief in god, or whether He exists and so on....
I happen to know that Manson has used this saying in Posthuman (I think thats the song..) so thinking about this got me really frustrated......what exactly does it mean? Statistic? How?? I'm just not smart enough to get it...does someone want to explain?
to me, it means that God is how much people believes in God.
it`s really simple.
the need to believe its a natural thing.
it wont go away no matter how the evolution of humanity developes.
maugan_ra_3rd
03-08-2006, 01:15 PM
It could also be a random bit of anti-clericalism he thought would sound good and controversial?
spiralion
03-08-2006, 01:27 PM
Originally posted by Komaschwarz
http://www.awitness.org/bloody/iraq/5us.jpg What happened to this guy?
Femme Fatale
03-08-2006, 03:57 PM
God was a concept and based on this concept the project mankind was implemented.
So god can be considered a statistic in a way.
JudasChrist
03-08-2006, 08:30 PM
"A single death is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic."
-Josef Stalin
Just pointing that out.
mr. grotesque
03-09-2006, 03:42 AM
Originally posted by $üpê®HïêrÕ
its quite simple.
marilyn manson says that god is a statistic.
in the fight song he says that "the death of millions is just a statistic"
therefore, the logical conclusion is that God = the death of millions
thats bullshit.
platypus
03-09-2006, 04:59 AM
Originally posted by Komaschwarz
It's called for when people try to oversimplify a concept.
no its not, you fuckin disrespectful idiot.
the lyric may mean that mr. manson may perceive 'god' as a statistic. that is, 'god' has become a prey to our menacing driving force, much like an endangered specie becoming extinct because of our(humanities) shortcomings/ignorance or some shit like that. personally i think maugan_ra_3rd hit the nail in the head.
stuffed_jackel
03-09-2006, 11:52 AM
how high can we get when we smoke up all of the fame , how low can we go , must everything stay the same ?? what will happen to our rateings when we kill ourselves! blah blah blah
me_andre
03-09-2006, 12:15 PM
I think it means that God is just a popularity contest. If the statesitc of belivers are higher than the statestic of the non beliving. God exists, if its the opposite god dosn't exists.
RabidNelson
03-09-2006, 04:46 PM
She’s got eyes like zapruder
And a mouth like heroin
She wants me to be
Perfect like kennedy
This isn’t god, this isn’t god
God is just a statistic,
God is just a statistic
No one's really talking about the quote in its context, so I thought I'd quote the surrounding lyrics. There's an obvious connection between god and Kennedy here.
No one's really given an explanation that makes any sense to me yet.
Mercury SS
03-09-2006, 09:26 PM
If you believe in The Big Bang theory, then you must believe that there is a high chance that there is a Supreme Being, a Creator... a God.
platypus
03-09-2006, 10:13 PM
maybe in reference to the contexts of the lyrics kennedy is personified as 'god' and 'god' is refer to as kennedy being a statistic at the hand/s of an/other/s.
an additional log to fuel this fire:
zapruder is the dude that captured the assassination of kennedy on film(for anyone that didn't know).
JudasChrist
03-09-2006, 11:19 PM
Ah I knew the film was called Zapruder, I never knew why. That sheds a new light for me. Coma White is witnessing and recording his martyrdom.
RabidNelson
03-10-2006, 02:41 AM
Originally posted by Mercury SS
If you believe in The Big Bang theory, then you must believe that there is a high chance that there is a Supreme Being, a Creator... a God.
No you don't.
iwtv
03-10-2006, 12:58 PM
Why the hell *must* anyone believe that? You seem to be insinuating a connection between the scientific and the religious, and that's just another opinion/theory; one of many. I believe in the possibility of a supreme being, but that belief isn't in any way connected to my believing in the Big Bang Theory as well.
TheBurk
03-10-2006, 06:51 PM
Originally posted by $üpê®HïêrÕ
its quite simple.
marilyn manson says that god is a statistic.
in the fight song he says that "the death of millions is just a statistic"
therefore, the logical conclusion is that God = the death of millions
well no not realy, the whole statement stalin made was the death of one is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic, so the death of christ is a tregedy, the death of god is a statistic.
Jaku
03-13-2006, 03:13 PM
I'd say that there are multiples answers to your questions.
There are ___ Christians in the world, thus meaning that there is a ___% chance God exists (or that God must exist, which con coincide with the statement that 'A million screaming Christians can't be wrong'), people saying they have been turned around by Christ, etc.
JudasChrist
03-13-2006, 09:35 PM
I don't think it's actually a statement about religion. The album is about people becoming numb, hollow, and mechanical, so it stands to reason that God would in turn become mechanical and hollow. If you see what I mean.
There's no connection with the Fight Song, I'm pretty sure.
guillaume
03-14-2006, 08:44 PM
Originally posted by JudasChrist
I don't think it's actually a statement about religion. The album is about people becoming numb, hollow, and mechanical, so it stands to reason that God would in turn become mechanical and hollow. If you see what I mean.
There's no connection with the Fight Song, I'm pretty sure.
I agree.
and The Mechanical Christ won`t be able to save anybody, including himself.
x.Coma.White.x
03-17-2006, 03:35 AM
Originally posted by glitteratiesque
So I've heard/seen many people say "God is a statistic" while discussing their belief in god, or whether He exists and so on....
I happen to know that Manson has used this saying in Posthuman (I think thats the song..) so thinking about this got me really frustrated......what exactly does it mean? Statistic? How?? I'm just not smart enough to get it...does someone want to explain?
Well, I know what 'statistic' means, but I searched it up in the dictionary, and it came up with this:
A statistic is a numerical value, such as standard deviation or mean, that characterizes the sample or population from which it was derived.
Maybe that helps? I'm too tired to read it and explain right now. But I guess that helps.
DeusExKunst
03-17-2006, 08:20 PM
Originally posted by RabidNelson
No one's really talking about the quote in its context, so I thought I'd quote the surrounding lyrics. There's an obvious connection between god and Kennedy here.
No one's really given an explanation that makes any sense to me yet.
Kennedy died, and became simply a statistic - the 35th President of the United States, the fourth to be assassinated, one of trillions of humans to die. He has become a symbol, a God, a statistic.
iwtv
03-17-2006, 09:43 PM
Originally posted by DeusExKunst
Kennedy died, and became simply a statistic - the 35th President of the United States, the fourth to be assassinated, one of trillions of humans to die. He has become a symbol, a God, a statistic.
Best thing I've heard here since the first page.
kasey191
03-19-2006, 03:45 AM
Originally posted by $üpê®HïêrÕ
its quite simple.
marilyn manson says that god is a statistic.
in the fight song he says that "the death of millions is just a statistic"
therefore, the logical conclusion is that God = the death of millions
actaully that qoute was just mutilated from a original by Joseph Stalin
"A single death is a tragedy; a million deaths is a statistic."
Hate
03-19-2006, 07:50 AM
Off the original topic i know, excuse this, but it really bothers me that the sheep of society that follow religion blindly refuse the possibilty that the world, people , animals, everything could have just appeared through the big bang theory, simply because "things can't just appear out of no where, some one had to have made them" but my question is, who the fuck made their god, how can they believe its possible for this dude to just appear with no sort of scientific theory behind it, but blindly denie any possibility of the big bang. Stupidity is a disease among our masses.
guillaume
03-19-2006, 08:40 AM
Originally posted by Hate
Stupidity is a disease among our masses.
I couldn`t agree more.
...
"We must believe God created mankind. Because that mankind created God we already know."
Franz Werfel.
¿?
I do not discard the Big Bang theory as well as I do not discard either the possibility of a "higher being" creating and destroying the universe by his free will.
I know it might sound rather stupid to many but the point is that we`ll never know for sure as long as we live.
...
"The mind is its own place and in itself can make a Heaven of Hell and a Hell of Heaven"
John Milton.
...
At first it was thought that the brain created what we call "mind" but not too long ago another theory said that the brain does not creates the mind but just perceives it.
¿?
What do we know for sure???
very little.
What we believe???
too much bullshit.(religious or not).
iwtv
03-19-2006, 06:56 PM
Originally posted by Hate
Off the original topic i know, excuse this, but it really bothers me that the sheep of society that follow religion blindly refuse the possibilty that the world, people , animals, everything could have just appeared through the big bang theory, simply because "things can't just appear out of no where, some one had to have made them" but my question is, who the fuck made their god, how can they believe its possible for this dude to just appear with no sort of scientific theory behind it, but blindly denie any possibility of the big bang. Stupidity is a disease among our masses.
That's the funniest thing about Christianity and similar religions. Kind of self-absorbed, really. No one ever bothers to question where God came from. It's taboo. Religions far older have origin stories that explicitly describe where/how their deity came to be.
controlledchaos
03-21-2006, 08:55 PM
Originally posted by JudasChrist
I don't think it's actually a statement about religion. The album is about people becoming numb, hollow, and mechanical, so it stands to reason that God would in turn become mechanical and hollow. If you see what I mean.
There's no connection with the Fight Song, I'm pretty sure.
I agree with you that this statement has very little to do with religion. However, 'God' doesn't become mechanical and hollow because 'God' is innately mechanical and hollow.
The term 'God' refers to any one of a myriad of influences that enrapture people and make them hollow shells of who they used to be. For example, to many people drugs are indeed 'God'. They get up in the morning and pray that they will be able to find and afford their drug fix for the day. Drugs become their 'religion'. However, the original zen-like high they hit with that drug so very long ago is unattainable and will never be reached again (i.e. a number you cannot count to - a 'statistic'). Eventually, in a twist of irony, they themselves become a statistic when they die of a drug overdose after years of trying to reach the unattainable.
conororor
03-24-2006, 08:17 AM
Have you never heard of the saying, 'Lies, damned lies and statistics?' 'God is just a statistic' meaning, he could well be thinking that god is a lie. ;)
Ada Veen
04-09-2006, 08:40 AM
Here's a peculiar detail about christianity, that I've ran across in "The Da Vinci code" I knew that story before, but now I realised that it can have links to the phrase "God is just a statistic" So decided to post it here.
When the christianity was only establishing Roman emperor Constantin held a famous ecumenical gathering known as the Council of Nicaea. " At this gathering many aspects of christianity were debated and voted upon - the date of Easter, the role of the bishops, the administration of sacraments, and of course the divinity of Jesus. .. Until that moment in history, Jusus was viewed by his followers as a mortal prophet... a great and powerful man, but a man nonetheless. A mortal. Jesus establishment as the "son of god" was officially proposed and VOTED on by the council of Nicaea."
A vote = a statistic. how about that?
guillaume
04-09-2006, 08:58 AM
Originally posted by Ada Veen
Here's a peculiar detail about christianity, that I've ran across in "The Da Vinci code" I knew that story before, but now I realised that it can have links to the phrase "God is just a statistic" So decided to post it here.
When the christianity was only establishing Roman emperor Constantin held a famous ecumenical gathering known as the Council of Nicaea. " At this gathering many aspects of christianity were debated and voted upon - the date of Easter, the role of the bishops, the administration of sacraments, and of course the divinity of Jesus. .. Until that moment in history, Jusus was viewed by his followers as a mortal prophet... a great and powerful man, but a man nonetheless. A mortal. Jesus establishment as the "son of god" was officially proposed and VOTED on by the council of Nicaea."
A vote = a statistic. how about that?
I read that story about the Council of Nicaea,
it`s quite interesting, that was basically the beginning of what now is the Catholic church.
Muslims also believe in Jesus as one of the greatest prophets.
RabidNelson
04-09-2006, 10:52 AM
Originally posted by Ada Veen
Here's a peculiar detail about christianity, that I've ran across in "The Da Vinci code" I knew that story before, but now I realised that it can have links to the phrase "God is just a statistic" So decided to post it here.
When the christianity was only establishing Roman emperor Constantin held a famous ecumenical gathering known as the Council of Nicaea. " At this gathering many aspects of christianity were debated and voted upon - the date of Easter, the role of the bishops, the administration of sacraments, and of course the divinity of Jesus. .. Until that moment in history, Jusus was viewed by his followers as a mortal prophet... a great and powerful man, but a man nonetheless. A mortal. Jesus establishment as the "son of god" was officially proposed and VOTED on by the council of Nicaea."
A vote = a statistic. how about that?
I remember when Jurassic Park came out, and people thought it was like a textbook on dinosaurs, despite the fact that half the book and movie was pure speculation or the facts were intentionally distorted for dramatic effect.
"The Da Vinci Code" is not a textbook.
You're kinda half right, half wrong. Do the research. The belief in the divinity of Jesus was not introduced at that council and had been the majority belief for quite a while by that point.
Catholic Encyclopedia: First Council of Nicaea (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11044a.htm)
First Council of Nicaea - Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea)
And here's an interesting page discussing a lot of the bizarre rumors about the Council of Nicaea:
The Council of Nicaea and the Bible (http://www.tertullian.org/rpearse/nicaea.html)
TheBurk
04-09-2006, 05:32 PM
Originally posted by Ada Veen
Here's a peculiar detail about christianity, that I've ran across in "The Da Vinci code" I knew that story before, but now I realised that it can have links to the phrase "God is just a statistic" So decided to post it here.
When the christianity was only establishing Roman emperor Constantin held a famous ecumenical gathering known as the Council of Nicaea. " At this gathering many aspects of christianity were debated and voted upon - the date of Easter, the role of the bishops, the administration of sacraments, and of course the divinity of Jesus. .. Until that moment in history, Jusus was viewed by his followers as a mortal prophet... a great and powerful man, but a man nonetheless. A mortal. Jesus establishment as the "son of god" was officially proposed and VOTED on by the council of Nicaea."
A vote = a statistic. how about that?
ya the council of nicea is pretty much what fucked up christianity and decided what appeared in the bible, what people believed and little of it has changed since then.
TheBurk
04-09-2006, 05:34 PM
Originally posted by RabidNelson
I remember when Jurassic Park came out, and people thought it was like a textbook on dinosaurs, despite the fact that half the book and movie was pure speculation or the facts were intentionally distorted for dramatic effect.
"The Da Vinci Code" is not a textbook.
You're kinda half right, half wrong. Do the research. The belief in the divinity of Jesus was not introduced at that council and had been the majority belief for quite a while by that point.
Catholic Encyclopedia: First Council of Nicaea (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11044a.htm)
First Council of Nicaea - Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea)
And here's an interesting page discussing a lot of the bizarre rumors about the Council of Nicaea:
The Council of Nicaea and the Bible (http://www.tertullian.org/rpearse/nicaea.html)
true, the beliefe in the divinity of jesus had been around since the first gnostics, but when constantine made christianity the official religeon of rome, he set about to streamline it, so a lot of the older sects were either destroyed, or merged, the council decided weather or not the beliefe of divinity would survive.
and 90% of the davinci code is utter garbage.
Grist
04-09-2006, 09:24 PM
pi
ironmessiah
04-13-2006, 10:13 PM
Fibbonachi, perhaps.
Vibrationist
06-28-2006, 03:25 AM
Originally posted by TimothySkold6
People believe in something that they have never ever seen before in their life. They believe in something that was written in a book many, many, many, many years ago and that has changed over time, but they still believe in it and live it day by day.
People believe in electricity. They turn on the lights in their house without wondering how it happens. They don't care, they just accept that it happens. How is this any different to people's belief in God?
Vibrationist
06-28-2006, 03:30 AM
Originally posted by $üpê®HïêrÕ
god is whatever you want it to be.
No, you're whatever God wants you to be. And a comment like that suggests you haven't figured out what God wants you to be.
Mister
06-29-2006, 10:59 AM
I see that many of you are saying that manson is saying god dosn't exist and hence 'god is a satistic' however many other songs refer to god in his songs are saying it is real just not needed (although i cann't be arsed to check). Also if this was the case an antichrist/False Prophet/satan would not be able to exist as without good there is no evil (i leave it up to u to decide if god is good or evil lol). Thus destroying many other of mansons beileves
roelq
06-29-2006, 11:02 AM
i thought the thread starter was dumb for asking. turns out everyone replying was even dumber. oh well.
Leviathan
06-30-2006, 12:47 AM
In my opinion, it means that out of all the religions in the world, the 'strongest' God is only the most popular one or the one with the most believers statistically . Remember in "The Beautiful People' when Mansons says "It's all relative ot the size of your steeple"? Well a steeple is a church tower, so it may mean the 'strength' of your church (or other place of worship).
Vlada Hepburn
06-30-2006, 02:20 AM
People had and always will need someone to believe in, someone to externalise their hopes and dreams too, heck, even a higher power to blame when something goes wrong. When people have faith in something, it helps them to continue life, waking up everyday. Every religion may be different, but there is one element that stays the same: there is one great, superior deity that controls all aspects of life. Maybe in that way God is a statistic, a fact that shows information about something.