The Reflecting God

[R3FL3CT1NG_G0D]

This is just a niggling at the back of my mind, but why doesn't MM start off 'The Reflecting God' like the version in the album?
In the album, Manson goes 'Your world is an ashtray....', then the bass line starts, but when performed live, the base line starts first...
Any ideas?

[sinister ninja]

Usually the drummer in live concerts does the 1-2-3-4 thing hitting the cymbal or whatever to get the band going.

[Rx]

cos he decided the album version intro was shit, so made it better for live performances.

[Nine]

I love the live version, the John5 screeching guitar, then the band comes in...so sweet.

[ihtia0]

Originally posted by R3FL3CT1NG_G0D
This is just a niggling at the back of my mind, but why doesn't MM start off 'The Reflecting God' like the version in the album?

... because he doesn't like you.

[disintegration]

I don't know. I'm still wondering why he doesn't pick up a guitar or get another guitarist to play all the guitar loops and samples that Pogo triggers from his keyboard.

[FIGHTMF]

He did it the album version way for all the Dead To The World Tour. Then for the Mechanical Animals/Rock Is Dead tour he decided he wanted to open with it, so he had to of course link Inaugration of the Mechanical Christ in with the Reflecting God so they obviously added the bit on the start so it diddnt sound bad. I mean the intro is supposed to lead into the next song. After that I suppose Manson just decided it was better that way.

[Retrovertigo]

I always hated the album intro. When I first bought the album it took me ages to get past that and into the song, because it just sounded so goofy.

@Arcan: Nice sig. Zorn is the shit.

[SINistar]

the live version is way better.

[koolboee cdmo87]

I love the album version, but the live version far exceeds it.

The song was played at the majority of DTTW dates, and it actually was the album version. He revamped it for the MA/RID Tours, and has used that arrangement for subsequent performances too.

[FIGHTMF]

Originally posted by koolboee cdmo87
I love the album version, but the live version far exceeds it.

The song was played at the majority of DTTW dates, and it actually was the album version. He revamped it for the MA/RID Tours, and has used that arrangement for subsequent performances too.

Thankyou Mr Parrot

[The King]

Originally posted by ihtia0
... because he doesn't like you.

[TimothySkold6]

Because live it just sounds better. I mean there's the feedbacking of the keyboard and if it just stopped or something and Manson said "Your world is any ashtray..." It would pull away from the hype that was created in The Inaguaration Of The Mechanical Christ.

Just because it's played a certain way on the album, doesn't mean it's played like that live.

[SamuraiKoala32]

he used to do it the way the album is. i have a bootleg somewhere as proof...

[TimothySkold6]

Originally posted by SamuraiKoala32
he used to do it the way the album is. i have a bootleg somewhere as proof...

He also used to do Sweet Dreams without an outro. I have a bootleg somewhere as proof... WHO FUCKING CARES!!!

Bands on the caliber of Marilyn Manson experiment on their live performances so they can make the show the best to their ability, make it fun for them and for the crowd.

[jester]

Originally posted by TimothySkold6
Because live it just sounds better. I mean there's the feedbacking of the keyboard and if it just stopped or something and Manson said "Your world is any ashtray..." It would pull away from the hype that was created in The Inaguaration Of The Mechanical Christ.

Just because it's played a certain way on the album, doesn't mean it's played like that live.

there ya go. exaclty what i was thinking. and by the way really who cares i say the album version is better.

[koolboee cdmo87]

Originally posted by TimothySkold6
He also used to do Sweet Dreams without an outro. I have a bootleg somewhere as proof... WHO FUCKING CARES!!!
For AAG, it was without an outro again. ;-)

[ozebane]

What bothers me more if the fact he just sings 'SHOOT SHOOT SHOOT MOTHERFUCKER!' for the whole chorus live.

[TimothySkold6]

Originally posted by koolboee cdmo87
For AAG, it was without an outro again. ;-)

Well he was trying to be cool and old skool, but failed miserably landing flat on his face.

[jester]

is there nayway to hear this version cu the shit i have he doesnt perform that song. was it that bad.

[Heretic]

He also never sings the lyrics: "scar/scar/can you feel my power?
One shot and the world gets smaller" He only sings "shoot, shoot motherfucker" till the end...

Actually, they never play that song live anymore as far as I know...Too bad another great song died.

[FIGHTMF]

I love the Hell Outro :( wish theyd bring it back.

[koolboee cdmo87]

I actually thought it was a good idea to cut the "Sweet Dreams" outro... he's been using the MA/RID arrangements for too long now. The Hell outro was awesome, the God outro was allright but eh... enough of the outros, at least with that song.

And yeah, I don't like how on the GGG Tour, he sings only "shoot, shoot...". The more offensive arrangement was effective on the MA/RID Tours, but he completely abandoned the true lyrics later on.

As for its being performed lately... it was played at a couple AAG shows, actually. Las Vegas and Cincinnatti, if I'm not mistaken.

I think its time is up, anyway. Play something new from ACSS -- and NOT as simply an intro this time! Or, if that song is gonna stay, abandon the MA arrangement and either a.) go back to the original or b.) come up with something new.

[Hazekiah]

Originally posted by Heretic
He also never sings the lyrics: "scar/scar/can you feel my power?
One shot and the world gets smaller"

Untrue. He's sung that part at numerous shows. Cutting straight the to "shoot, shoot" bit began somewhere towards the end of '96 and was pretty much S.O.P. by the time we rolled over into '97. Even then, he'd still oftentimes sing the "scar, scar" bit for the second refrain after skippin' it the first time 'round.

And he sang the "scar, scar" part at a coupla MA/RID shows, too.

I can't think of a single scar/GGG performance, though.

[Synister]

Cuz nothing is ever the same when live.....that's like asking why doesn't he sound the same in concert as he does on his album?

[FIGHTMF]

Im glad he changes things a little here and there.

[Welovehate]

It's my favourite song but i like more the album version is supremely mixed and sung

[Nil Three]

The way it was preformed on tour for MA sounds cool, but where "Your world is an ashtray" comes in always throws me off.

[vht]

Originally posted by koolboee cdmo87
As for its being performed lately... it was played at a couple AAG shows, actually. Las Vegas and Cincinnatti, if I'm not mistaken.

I think its time is up, anyway. Play something new from ACSS -- and NOT as simply an intro this time!

I was unaware they did it in Cincinnatti. I only heard about the vegas show, although it remained on the setlist throughout that leg of the tour, but not played.

I really wish he did Minute of Decay in full.

[B.O.T.E.]

I prefer the Live version too. :)

[Hellhammer]

So do i

[Ainsley]

I like how the band changes the songs slightly in live performances, keeps things fresh. That being said, I like the live version of Reflecting God, but I do miss the scar/scar refrain from the album.

My favorite live adaption of a song is Posthuman. Oh how I wish the album version sounded as amazing as its live counterpart. :3

[GeminiBoy]

no offense but i cant believe this thread has survived so long when my last one was graveyarded while it was still getting posts. all i asked was what peeps think would be mansons next guitarist

[maugan_ra_3rd]

Originally posted by B.O.T.E.
I prefer the Live version too. :)

I think his voice is better on the studio version, so Im in two minds on what recording I prefere.

[Welovehate]

but the distortion and other guitar sounds are better on studio version...

[s41nt]

Originally posted by Ainsley
I like how the band changes the songs slightly in live performances, keeps things fresh. That being said, I like the live version of Reflecting God, but I do miss the scar/scar refrain from the album.

My favorite live adaption of a song is Posthuman. Oh how I wish the album version sounded as amazing as its live counterpart. :3

OMG! I never heard a live version of the mighty Posthuman... and that it's my most wanted song for a live :( Do you have any bootleg or something where I can hear it, please?