Another Canadian Election

[Komaschwarz]

If one of the opposition parties declares a vote of nonconfidence, and we're pushed towards a May or June election (which is quite likely), who would you vote for?

In case you've been out of the loop, it is likely we will have an early election due to the mismanagement and embezzlement of 300 million dollars by several key heads of the Liberal Party of Canada (including currect Prime Minister/prior head of finances), and many of his cronies.

As you can imagine, millions of dollars being given to sponsorship programs for little to no work in return at the expense of the tax payers severely pisses off the public.

That in mind, what way would you vote?

The Conservative Party of Canada led by Stephen Harper

The New Democratic Party, led by Jack Layton

or would you give the Liberal Party of Canada, led by Paul Martin another shot?


Remember...if you aren't Canadian, then your opinion means absolutely dipshit in this thread.

Ok, enough rambling - where do you put your trust?

2nd EDIT: Seems our election is in January, not May or June. Spiffy.

[UberScott]

I think I'll sit this one out. It'll basically be a race between a brainless Conservative Party, a heartless Liberal Party, and with a spineless NDP coming in yet another distant third (forth if you count the Bloc, which I don't).

The only thing that might make me want to consider voting for the Liberals or NDP is Harper's insistent and baffling opposition to same sex marriage. It's not that I consider the issue itself to be all that essentially important, but just that's it's hard for me to take Harper seriously when he's rambling on about the 'sanctity' of marriage.

All in all, the Conservatives and NDP are both big jokes to me, and I’m just too sick of the Liberals to bother voting for them either.

[Yusuf]

The Liberal Party because I have my loyalties, partisanships, etc.

And they are the lesser of 5 evils.

I think I'll start my own party.

Or at least throw my own party.

[Komaschwarz]

Originally posted by UberScott
I think I'll sit this one out. It'll basically be a race between a brainless Conservative Party, a heartless Liberal Party, and with a spineless NDP coming in yet another distant third (forth if you count the Bloc, which I don't).

The only thing that might make me want to consider voting for the Liberals or NDP is Harper's insistent and baffling opposition to same sex marriage. It's not that I consider the issue itself to be all that essentially important, but just that's it's hard for me to take Harper seriously when he's rambling on about the 'sanctity' of marriage.

All in all, the Conservatives and NDP are both big jokes to me, and I’m just too sick of the Liberals to bother voting for them either.

Harper is not trying to prevent gay marriage, he just wants to hold the traditional view of marriage as between a man and a woman. He's said on many occasions that men and women should be able to marry the same sex and have all the same legal benefits - as long as it isn't called "marriage". That's why I'm so confused about this fucking stupid media event. Why not just update the defenition of civil union to include gay couples and give them all the same rights? That way marriage stays with its traditional definition and gay people are no longer oppressed.

All sides are making it into a huge deal.

And for once I agree with you, I don't even consider the BQ a party at all.

EDIT: I'm actually quite pleased. Our last election was just shy of my 18th birthday, and I was pissed that I would be waiting until 21 to vote. Now I'll get to vote. Wonderful.

[UberScott]

Originally posted by Komaschwarz
Harper is not trying to prevent gay marriage, he just wants to hold the traditional view of marriage as between a man and a woman. He's said on many occasions that men and women should be able to marry the same sex and have all the same legal benefits - as long as it isn't called "marriage". That's why I'm so confused about this fucking stupid media event. Why not just update the defenition of civil union to include gay couples and give them all the same rights? That way marriage stays with its traditional definition and gay people are no longer oppressed.

All sides are making it into a huge deal.

And for once I agree with you, I don't even consider the BQ a party at all.

EDIT: I'm actually quite pleased. Our last election was just shy of my 18th birthday, and I was pissed that I would be waiting until 21 to vote. Now I'll get to vote. Wonderful.

Not to start yet another same-sex marriage debate, but I find the whole "let's just not call it marriage" idea very strange. If you agree that gay couples should have the same legal rights as their straight counterparts, then why not just call it marriage and get it over with? Why do we need to come up with a bunch of euphemisms just to make sure we don't make people uncomfortable? It's like the right-wing version of political correctness.

And yes, As far as I'm concerned, the BQ (and the PQ for that matter) are essentially a special interest group.

[Komaschwarz]

Originally posted by UberScott
Not to start yet another same-sex marriage debate, but I find the whole "let's just not call it marriage" idea very strange. If you agree that gay couples should have the same legal rights as their straight counterparts, then why not just call it marriage and get it over with? Why do we need to come up with a bunch of euphemisms just to make sure we don't make people uncomfortable? It's like the right-wing version of political correctness.

And yes, As far as I'm concerned, the BQ (and the PQ for that matter) are essentially a special interest group.

I share the same view as you, but most religious institutions will never allow marriage to be changed in order to embrace gays because the bible defines marriage as between a man and a woman, and no one is about to go and change the rules set down by the prophets who took down the word of God. That's how I see it anyways.

And you're certainly right, it's nothing put political correctness.

[ihtia0]

Conservatives.

I'm a tad shy of voting age, but everyone I know who isn't said they'd vote in my favour - because they're brainless and don't care.

Honestly, I think the Conservatives are the best choice out of the contending parties. They are byfar the most solid of any party right now. All but three of the currently elected MP's agree with one another on major issues. They're a straight forward party that doesn't beat around the bush. They've made some major revisions in the past while and they seem to stand out of the current crowd.

The Liberals have been in for too long and seem to take us for granted. In the year and four months since Paul Martin has beeen our PM, he has accomplished NOTHING. Why do I want him and his crew for another four years? The whole sponsorship scandal just gives exponential growth to the many inquiries and hatred of where they blow our money. I feel generally fed up with them. They's no solidarity within that party - MP David Kilgour has just quit to become an independent, and there's seems to be a fine line between how each MP feels about major issues. They tackle the concept of a Conservative hidden agenda as it is their last hope of detracting the potentially large number of righty votes this election - this only proves how "strong" they are. Liberalism in itself isn't a bad concept but I hate the direction of this party, or there lack of.

The NDP is a touch too far to the left for me, and Jack Layton isn't at all a sympathetic guy to me and I don't want . They have little experience on the federal level, and although they won't win - its still a really bad "what if."

I like the Green Party. I was volunteering for them last election. Environment is more important than our miserable politics, and that alone gives me reason to support them. I also like the "We're not left or right - we're in the middle" idea, even if they realistically are generally left. They're not going to win by a landslide, hell, they've never had a single MP. While associated with them last year, I noticed enough things to bother me in terms of party structure that I may want to sit out of this end of the table. Growth, structure, planning, and overall attitude of their party are the top on my list. When they get bigger and learn then they'll receive my support. Until then, I will let them quietly grow.

Stephen Harper and Co. receive my support this time around, simply because they're better than the rest.

EDIT: I forgot about the Bloc Quebecois, but they concern me the least while irritating me a lot. I've never been able to stand all these "Quebec is special" garbages, and this group is the face of it. I don't like them, I don't like their agenda, and I don't want them.

[Komaschwarz]

Very well put. I'll make sure to vote conservative for the both of us.

[ihtia0]

Thanks!

[Komaschwarz]

Originally posted by ihtia0
Thanks!

No prob. Say, if that's you in that avatar, then you could pass for Tom Cruise in Collateral if you gave your hair silver streaks.

Just an observation.

[Komaschwarz]

http://im.rediff.com/movies/2004/aug/06col1.jpg
http://im.rediff.com/movies/2004/aug/09us1.jpg

[ihtia0]

Of course it is good old Vincent from Collateral. I watched it last night and it blew me away, the good way. Other than the fact that Michael Mann is a genius of a director and this is one of his better works, I found it interesting that Tom Cruise was actually able to act. In pretty much every movie of his that I've seen, he never plays a role - he's always that same cocky bastard; he always plays Tom Cruise. I guess that being put underneath Michael Mann, who put three months prior to shooting into character development ... that was enough to crack the cocky bastard.

I don't like Tom Cruise, but I enjoyed his character quite thoroughly.

[Komaschwarz]

If Vincent ran for Prime Minister, I'd vote for him.

[TLastGayOnEarth]

It's either the Bloc Quebecois or no vote for me.

I've never been able to stand all these "Quebec is special" garbages

You're not able to stand the truth?

[TLastGayOnEarth]

Originally posted by ihtia0
Conservatives.

I like the Green Party. I was volunteering for them last election. Environment is more important than our miserable politics, and that alone gives me reason to support them. I also like the "We're not left or right - we're in the middle" idea, even if they realistically are generally left. They're not going to win by a landslide, hell, they've never had a single MP. While associated with them last year, I noticed enough things to bother me in terms of party structure that I may want to sit out of this end of the table. Growth, structure, planning, and overall attitude of their party are the top on my list. When they get bigger and learn then they'll receive my support. Until then, I will let them quietly grow.

Sorry for the double post but... You consider environment more important than politic and you vote conservative?

[Komaschwarz]

Originally posted by TLastGayOnEarth
Sorry for the double post but... You consider environment more important than politic and you vote conservative?

He's voting for the party who has a chance, unlike the Bloc who's only fucking goal is to seperate from Canada, and the NDP who want a 65% tax bracket on anyone making over 50k a year. And with the liberals being kicked out, how many major contending parties are there?

[TLastGayOnEarth]

Originally posted by Komaschwarz
He's voting for the party who has a chance, unlike the Bloc who's only fucking goal is to seperate from Canada, and the NDP who want a 65% tax bracket on anyone making over 50k a year. And with the liberals being kicked out, how many major contending parties are there?

I'm not talking about which party has a chance or not, I'm talking about the _fact_ that I really doubt conservatives care that much about environment - if they care at all.

[TimothySkold6]

I read in the paper that there's a new party...

It's called the SEX PARTY... They're the first ever political party to be dedicated to only sex issues.

[UberScott]

Originally posted by TimothySkold6
I read in the paper that there's a new party...

It's called the SEX PARTY... They're the first ever political party to be dedicated to only sex issues.

They've got my vote!























....assuming it's even real.

[TimothySkold6]

It is. I don't think a major paper would lie about something like that.

It's only in BC though :p

http://www.thesexparty.ca/

[Sinnamon]

I work for Stephen Harper. DUH. Paul Martin is a disgrace to Canada. We will win a majority and get some new missiles to play with...

[UberScott]

Originally posted by Sinnamon 666
I work for Stephen Harper. DUH. Paul Martin is a disgrace to Canada. We will win a majority and get some new missiles to play with...

Stephen Harper is just another Alliance bureaucrat with all the great leadership qualities of a retarded squirrel. The great Lewis Black once said, "If you are inspired by either George Bush or Bill Clinton, you were probably inspired by your high school principal", and I think the same is true for Harper, or Paul Martin for that matter.

To hell with all of them, right now Canadian politics is all about having three different flavours of shit to chose from. If I do vote, it'll be for one of the smaller parties.

[Komaschwarz]

Originally posted by Sinnamon 666
I work for Stephen Harper. DUH. Paul Martin is a disgrace to Canada. We will win a majority and get some new missiles to play with...

After talking to the man, I realize he's even nicer than he normally appears. He's a very level headed, down to earth type of guy. I haven't had as much support for previous leaders, but I've got a good feeling about Harper.

When the new election hits, I'll be helping promote the CPC

[laterali]

Chances are I'll go for the new democratic party...


Also known as "the working man's" party.

[Komaschwarz]

And as I already said, I'll be voting Conservative, also known as the "Try and stop us, puny mortals!" party.

[Sinnamon]

Originally posted by Komaschwarz
And as I already said, I'll be voting Conservative, also known as the "Try and stop us, puny mortals!" party.

good man.

[UberScott]

Stephen Harper is, like, soooo hardcore!

[TLastGayOnEarth]

Stephen Harper is a creepy right-wing bigot, if people want to have a Star Wars policy (à la GW Bush), ruin the environment, ruin the health care, increase poverty, promote bigotry and archaic values; in other words make Canada a parody of the USA, vote for the conservative.

[Sinnamon]

^ its for the better, so ya.

[Komaschwarz]

Originally posted by TLastGayOnEarth
Stephen Harper is a creepy right-wing bigot, if people want to have a Star Wars policy (à la GW Bush), ruin the environment, ruin the health care, increase poverty, promote bigotry and archaic values; in other words make Canada a parody of the USA, vote for the conservative.

The USA holds far more power in the world than Canada, so they're obviously doing something right.

And since you're in the mood to attack the opposition without any substance, I'll join in: Paul Martin can't even control his fat ass, so how does he expect to keep control of Canada?

I think I hear the sound of liberal support dropping. Last I checked it was at 27% and still falling.

[Yusuf]

I will never vote for the Conservatives for one simple reason:

Conservative = Evil.

Enough said.

[Sinnamon]

I'm so goth that I work for conservative cuz they're evil :p

[Komaschwarz]

Originally posted by Sinnamon 666
I'm so goth that I work for conservative cuz they're evil :p

I should make a T-shit along those lines: "I'm so goth I voted conservative."

[Sinnamon]

Originally posted by Komaschwarz
I should make a T-shit along those lines: "I'm so goth I voted conservative."

that would be awesome lol i have the ain't nothin but a goth thing one...i'm gonna put some conservative pins all over it and instead of mm on the back i'll put the big C logo for conservative lmao.

[UberScott]

Originally posted by Sinnamon 666
that would be awesome lol i have the ain't nothin but a goth thing one...i'm gonna put some conservative pins all over it and instead of mm on the back i'll put the big C logo for conservative lmao.

Wow! I was just to come here at post some big semi-ironic rant mocking the Conservatives, but damn, you guys are beating me to it. I mean, it's like we're one hillbilly short of the prefect conservative stereotype convention.

*sigh* I guess I'll go work on making fun of the NPD now, or maybe the Bloc.

[ihtia0]

Originally posted by TLastGayOnEarth
I'm not talking about which party has a chance or not, I'm talking about the _fact_ that I really doubt conservatives care that much about environment - if they care at all.

They're in the process of implementing Kyoto into their plan. If elected, they won't use the system Martin wants, but rather one that's efficient AND cost effective.

[Yusuf]

Originally posted by ihtia0
They're in the process of implementing Kyoto into their plan. If elected, they won't use the system Martin wants, but rather one that's efficient AND cost effective.

I've read Conservative arguments about how Kyoto is BAD for the environment because it hampers progress that could be made to produce new technologies that would cut down on pollution.

[Komaschwarz]

Originally posted by Yusuf
I've read Conservative arguments about how Kyoto is BAD for the environment because it hampers progress that could be made to produce new technologies that would cut down on pollution.

That would also be a sound argument to make.

[TERROJA]

Canada has leaders? I thought you guys just sort of "winged" the whole "society" thing.

[Yusuf]

Originally posted by TERROJA
Canada has leaders? I thought you guys just sort of "winged" the whole "society" thing.

Yeah - the leaders are really just a formality.

[UberScott]

Originally posted by TERROJA
Canada has leaders? I thought you guys just sort of "winged" the whole "society" thing.

The funny thing is that's really not all that far off. I swear sometimes this whole country is run by the civil service.

[Yusuf]

Originally posted by UberScott
The funny thing is that's really not all that far off. I swear sometimes this whole country is run by the civil service.

Really, it is. Our leaders have no real power. No matter who we elect, nothing will ever change much.

The leaders are a formality. Civil service runs everything.

Or maybe the Freemasons/Illuminati/Jews run everything.

[TLastGayOnEarth]

Originally posted by ihtia0
They're in the process of implementing Kyoto into their plan.

Lies.

[Sinnamon]

Originally posted by TLastGayOnEarth
Lies.

True.

[Yusuf]

Originally posted by Lydia
Anyone who considers Conservatives "evil" even though the Liberal government misappropriated millions of Canadian tax dollars for their own evil purposes shouldn't be allowed to vote at all.

What? What on Earth are you talking about? Everyone knows that being a Conservative is all about being evil.

[cyborg assassin]

Originally posted by TLastGayOnEarth
Stephen Harper is a creepy right-wing bigot, if people want to have a Star Wars policy (à la GW Bush), ruin the environment, ruin the health care, increase poverty, promote bigotry and archaic values; in other words make Canada a parody of the USA, vote for the conservative.

voting conservative beats paying higher taxes and having to pay for the illegal immigrants and terrorists that come with left-wingers

[Yusuf]

Originally posted by cyborg assassin
voting conservative beats paying higher taxes and having to pay for the illegal immigrants and terrorists that come with left-wingers

I <3 terrorists!

[cyborg assassin]

i would add that left-wingers would wreck the military, but i remembered canada's muilitary is now a joke anyway and a mere shadow of its glory in WW1/2/korea.

[Komaschwarz]

Originally posted by cyborg assassin
i would add that left-wingers would wreck the military, but i remembered canada's muilitary is now a joke anyway and a mere shadow of its glory in WW1/2/korea.

The Edmonton Mall has more submarines than our navy's fleet. The Mall has three. We have two.

[ihtia0]

Originally posted by Yusuf
I've read Conservative arguments about how Kyoto is BAD for the environment because it hampers progress that could be made to produce new technologies that would cut down on pollution.

I was reading it on canada.com and it caught me offguard. I think it may just be a thing to get voters. Doesn't matter, they already got me.

[cyborg assassin]

Originally posted by Komaschwarz
The Edmonton Mall has more submarines than our navy's fleet. The Mall has three. We have two.

yep. one day the people of greenland will take their chances and invade and annex some of the islands in the extreme north of canada, and considering canada's excuse for a military nowayds will no doubt have to beg washington to save canada from a country of about 50000 people.

i am of course bullshitting, but at the same time ramming it home that canada's defence capabilities are poor

[UberScott]

This country's military is in piss-poor shape, giving it the funding it needs might be the one good thing the Conservatives do. Then again, I'm far to cynical to really expect they'll give anything other than broken promises and pathetic half-measures, just like any party would.

[UberScott]

As much as I'm sick of the Liberals and their two-faced bullshit, anyone who thinks that the Conservatives (or the NDP, for that matter) are all gallant men on white horseback who will come and save the day is utterly delusional. Pull you head out of you ass and you'll see that you're being lied to from all sides, and no party or ideology has a monopoly on horseshit. Wherever I cast my vote, it won't be contributing to this pathetic 2 1/2 party system we have now.

[cyborg assassin]

the problem with elections, partiocularly in social democracies (as opposed to libertarian democracies), ideoogy is thrown out the back door , core suipporters are pissed on by all their parties and taken for granted while they all try to pander to welfare and subsidy addicted swing voters.

before i say this i'll admit i am a critic of the welfare state and you can call me a cynic but i am convinvced politicins brought it in as a way of it being used to bribe electorates every election with new welfare perks. the british welfare state was massively expanded under labour in 1945 to 51, which surely was a huge case of electoral bribery. had labour not prosed this in 1945, there was no ay tyhe could have defeated the war hero winson churchill.

in britain under tony blair what laboyr have done s massively increase state spending on things like state healthcare and education. the cunning thing they've done is give tax breaks to those wjo benrfit most from these services, such as families with young children (whom a lot tend to be swng voters), while taxing the hell out of everyone else.

as a result a lot of important issues are just ignored and electons are fought over narrow issues. at least in the US election last year there was a big focus on big issues like iraq, terrorism, fiscal policies, world trade and so on. in this country the labour part are trying their best to fight the election next motnh exckusively around healthcare, welfare and educaton, ignoring everything else, and thanks to britain being full of welfare addicts, tony blair wll no doubt succeed.

[UberScott]

Welfare, at least as it exists now in many countries, is basically a form of institutionalized vote bribing and a tool for fear mongering. It’s really the next best thing to state-sponsored slavery as it keeps people dependent and destroys any feelings of self-reliance. If the state is going to offer help to citizens in need (which I do think is should), then it should done with the aim of helping people become as self-reliant as possible, not on just giving them another crutch attached to a set of chains.

[TLastGayOnEarth]

How is Kyoto bullshit?

[UberScott]

Originally posted by TLastGayOnEarth
How is Kyoto bullshit?

Because it's mostly a public relations ploy made of half-measures and weak compromises.

[TLastGayOnEarth]

I disagree and even if I would agree, half-measures is already better than no measure.

Anyway I just visited the conservative website.

http://www.conservative.ca/english/index.asp

I want to know how can anyone support a group that has "defence of marriage" as a main link on their website (Gomery Inquiry being the other one). If one of their main plan is to be discriminatory toward certain people, they are obviously full of shit. I mean, can't they have a link such as "the improvement of economy", "a vision of future" or something like that. Maybe people who are sick of the libs would vote for the conservative if their bigotry wouldn't be so obvious.

[UberScott]

Originally posted by TLastGayOnEarth
I disagree and even if I would agree, half-measures is already better than no measure.

True, but I still dislike how Kyoto is being sold as a great triumph for the environmental movement, when in reality it's only baby steps.

Anyway I just visited the conservative website.

http://www.conservative.ca/english/index.asp

I want to know how can anyone support a group that has "defence of marriage" as a main link on their website (Gomery Inquiry being the other one). If one of their main plan is to be discriminatory toward certain people, they are obviously full of shit. I mean, can't they have a link such as "the improvement of economy", "a vision of future" or something like that. Maybe people who are sick of the libs would vote for the conservative if their bigotry wouldn't be so obvious.

I agree with you here. It seems the Conservative's platform as of late has been bitching about how bad the Liberals are. Since they are the opposition party this is to be somewhat expected, but Harper & Co. would be doing themselves a big favor if they stopped whining about gay marriage and started to offer ideas of their own instead of just trying to sound contrary to the Liberals.

[ihtia0]

Originally posted by TLastGayOnEarth
Maybe people who are sick of the libs would vote for the conservative if their bigotry wouldn't be so obvious.

Because there's no bigotry on the left side?

[Komaschwarz]

For any of you who actively watch the movements by the house of commons, (which I assume is little, to none of you), then you would know the two main reasons why we cannot put off an election until Judge Gomery has finished his inquiry.

Firstly, the Liberals have instituted Bills C43, and C 48, which together set the motion that no other party may be given access to the financial spending records, or question the liberal party as to what funds they are utilizing. What this means is that the Liberals can be using hidden reserve funds (which may or may not have been stolen, and we'll find out shortly enough) to fund future endeavours. How would you like the Liberals to use the pocketed sponsorship money to win an election in which the main concern is whether or not the Liberals are mismanaging their money?

Secondly (and this is complete lunacy), the Liberals have Clause-K. As you know, the Liberal position on the election has been 'wait for Judge Gomery to complete his inquiry'. This has been the message delivered to all media outlets. However, for any of you who watch the procedural meetings in the house of commons, you will have known that the Liberals instituted Clause K in just recently. Clause-K prevents Judge Gomery from detailing his results and suggested solutions to the Canadian public. So essentially the Liberal party is telling us to wait for the results which they will not disclose to the public.

It is time for action.

[UberScott]

All this election is to me is a bunch of people either desperately trying to hold on to power or another bunch trying everything possible to gain power. It's as if the politicians won't even bother trying to pretend they care.

[Yusuf]

Originally posted by UberScott
All this election is to me is a bunch of people either desperately trying to hold on to power or another bunch trying everything possible to gain power. It's as if the politicians won't even bother trying to pretend they care.

When the Conservatives were down in the polls, they called the budget "a conservative budget" and they said they would support it with just a little reluctance.

After they rose a bit, they started demanding for another election.

It is just some ridiculous political strategies. A desperate grab for power. If Harper wants a majority, he can't make Canadians go to the polls again because they'll be pissed off about the huge waste of taxpayer dollars and the shitty attitude Harper has had, lately.

I find it disgusting, also, that the Conservatives have allied themselves with a separtist party whose objective is the destruction of the Confederation! Extreme desperation!

http://www.harperduceppe2005.com/

[Komaschwarz]

Originally posted by Yusuf
[B]When the Conservatives were down in the polls, they called the budget "a conservative budget" and they said they would support it with just a little reluctance.

After they rose a bit, they started demanding for another election.


So? They agreed with the first budget. Prime Minister Paul Martin changed that budget when he desperately started throwing money at the NDP causes, trying to secure his position. It is not hypocritical to agree with one budget, and disagree with a totally different one.

I also find it funny how in only a matter of a week or two since Paul Martin's TV address (in which he never denied that every alegation was true), he has promised more then 22 BILLION dollars. He really likes to buy people off.

As for your ignorance with the Harper/Duceppe issue I'll overlook it, because if you've kept yourself up to date, all they have is a verbal truce to bring down the corrupt government. Nothing more, nothing less. They have still radically being attacking eachother in the house of commons, as usual.

[Yusuf]

Originally posted by Komaschwarz
So? They agreed with the first budget. Prime Minister Paul Martin changed that budget when he desperately started throwing money at the NDP causes, trying to secure his position. It is not hypocritical to agree with one budget, and disagree with a totally different one.

This paragraph shows that you have no understanding of the situation.

Stephen Harper agreed with the original budget, and then disagreed with THE SAME BUDGET! Because he disagreed with that budget and changed his position due to polls, the Liberals made deals with the NDP and changed the budget.

Originally posted by Komaschwarz
As for your ignorance with the Harper/Duceppe issue I'll overlook it, because if you've kept yourself up to date, all they have is a verbal truce to bring down the corrupt government. Nothing more, nothing less. They have still radically being attacking eachother in the house of commons, as usual.

I only made my comment to plug that link. I like the captions.

[Komaschwarz]

Originally posted by Yusuf
[B]This paragraph shows that you have no understanding of the situation.

Stephen Harper agreed with the original budget, and then disagreed with THE SAME BUDGET! Because he disagreed with that budget and changed his position due to polls, the Liberals made deals with the NDP and changed the budget.



Bull. Immediately after Paul Martin's 'national emergency', where he took to the airwaves to plead not to be kicked, he began thinking of ways to secure his position in the House of Commons. That's when Jack Layton made the brilliant move to manipulate Martin by offering his support in exchange for a bigger piece of the financial pie (Layton is the winner in the coming election, regardless of the outcome). Budget votes have yet to happen, so the party has not officially placed their stance on the budget at all. Although at one moment the conservatives were fine with the budget, they objected once Paul Martin cut tax breaks and relief to the Canadian Auto Workers.

The Liberals are not the victims in this, despite how hard they are trying to portray themselves as such. Paul Martin is nearing 23 Billion dollars worth of promises since the television appearance. That is nothing more then political strategy to buy votes (as is the Sudan issue). And as we've seen before, the Liberals will spend more money then we have at our disposal, and the Conservatives will come in eventually, having to make cuts in order to sustain a balanced budget, which earns them a bad reputation, which once again elects the Liberals into office.

[ihtia0]

Thread bumped for obvious reasons.

As of less than two hours ago, our government has fallen. Tentative election is January 23rd.

I still stand where I was a few months ago when this thread was previously active.

I watched each of the party leaders' speeches to their caucus and have a load to write but I'm in a bit of a hurry so I'll be back soon.

[Komaschwarz]

Originally posted by esal
if the tories had a less-fascist leader, they'd take this election no problem. but, because harper's a twit, it's gonna be close. i just hope the bloc doesn't get enough seats to separate.

*e

Err, the Bloc can't seperate. You should know that. Seperating from Canada involves the will of all provinces and territories by majority, not just Quebec.

However, it is likely the Bloc will put in its seperatist leader this time around.

Harper's got my vote. I doubt he'll win, and even if he does we'll just be swapping one minority government for the other, but having met Layton, Harper, and Paul Martin, I know for a fact that I want Martin gone.

[Dani]

I'm not sure who I'm voting for. For me it's a decision of wether or not I want my vote to count. Do i vote for the NDP and have my vote count for nothing, as realistically an NDP canidate will do poorly on PEI. Or do i vote against the Neo-Cons by voting Liberal. Idealy I'd be voting for the cantidate who I feel would do the best job of representing thier constituants, but now I find myself having to vote for one party to prevent another party from winning the election. I hate party politics. So our choices are a crook, a fascist, a separatist, and a moustache that don't stand a chance........ Does anyone from those "blue states" to the south want to start a country with half of canada?

[Komaschwarz]

Vote for the party in which you ideologically most support. Just because they make it a game, doesn't mean you have to.

For the most part, all the parties go through the same rotation; a rise to power off of previous government's fuckups, stay in power, fuck up themselves, and get ousted by the opposing side in the next election.

I know I couldn't vote for a party in which I didn't believe in.

[Dani]

Originally posted by Komaschwarz


I know I couldn't vote for a party in which I didn't believe in.
Thats why I'd like to vote for the NDP, however I'm debating voting for the Liberals to hopefully prevent the Conservative Party of Canada from winning, I dont knwo if I can do that though.

[Komaschwarz]

Originally posted by Dani
Thats why I'd like to vote for the NDP, however I'm debating voting for the Liberals to hopefully prevent the Conservative Party of Canada from winning, I dont knwo if I can do that though.

That seems rather shady to me. In a case like that, I'd just abstain from voting.

It's a little disappointing that no one votes anymore on who they want in office, but who they want out of it.

When it comes down to it though, all the parties will end up conducting themselves in the same manner. Canadian politics aren't all that diversified. Only the Bloc and the NDP have very different agendas. The Conservatives and the Liberals have a lot more in common than many Canadians would like to acknowledge.

[tetragrammutate]

I expect this election will have one of the lowest voter turnouts in Canadian history because of the fact that people went to the polls only a year ago. Not enough has happened to twist anybody's opinion one way or another within a year.

As far as the sponsorship scandal goes, many people involved are no longer in their positions which have since been reappointed by Martin. If this had been covered like it was during Chretien's last term the Conservatives could have easily turned the issue in their favor. As it stands it makes the Conservatives look desperate, trying unsuccessfully to strike on almost every point to get into power.

That should be just as concerning as having a Liberal government.

It hasn't even affected the Liberal's much because of how the issue has been presented. The bulk of major national newspapers reporting the story are in support of the Liberal party. This has definitely affected the public's response on the issue.

Personally, I've never given a shit and I'm not going to blow my top on the election now. I'm indifferent to any politician.

Nobody has ever renounced their ego in the name of the people. Maybe if that ever happens I'll be impressed one day.

In the meantime I will not vote for a lesser evil.

[Dani]

I'll admit that they tend to have alot in common. Hell i live in a province where the ruling Conservative Party gets my vote, but they are also fairly liberal ( note the lowercase L) in their actions and stances. The last time the Liberals were in power they cut public sector employees salaries by 7.3 % this led to a HUGE backlash and a total political reversal. The Liberals had all but one seat in our provincial legislature. After the election the conservatives held all seats save 1. The conservatives have been in power ever since (winning 3 elections in a row i beleive) and during this entire time we have continued to vote Liberal Federaly, all 4 of our seats in the house of commons have been filled by Liberals for atleast the last 3 elections.
I'll be the first to admit that the Liberals and the Neo-Cons have a great deal in common which is part of the reason I dont want to vote for either. I will most likley end up voting for the NDP. As far as not voting, goes I feel that not voting is an irresponsible choice as a canadian citizen, everyone should do thier homework and look at the facts. Then Maybe my NDP vote would have some company :D

[Sinnamon]

Like I said in an accident thread.

Go Harper, Fuck Liberals. Belinda should die.

[Dani]

if only it were true......

[ihtia0]

Originally posted by Sinnamon 666
Belinda should die.

My assumption is that she won't get re-elected. In most ridings, the party is just as important as the individual running to represent you in terms of how Canadians vote. Chances are she'll have lost a noticeable number of votes just for running in her riding under the Liberal banner.

Secondly, a lot of people are still irritated at her for taking up such a shameless bribe when her party needed her the most. Her crossing the floor will probably lose her more votes.

There's probably a lot of swing voters who will vote for her in her riding because of her media headlines, but I doubt it would be enough to neutralize the votes she's lost. Also, I doubt that her campaign to get young voters interested will pay off (one of her tactics is she's claiming that she's looking forward to 50 Cent's concert... give me a break).

She needs to bust some serious effort to get re-elected now that her fifteen minutes of fame are over.

[Sinnamon]

^ agreed... your sig scares the shit out of me.

[Sinnamon]

ya but peeling off skin isn't my kinda thing....

unless i'm ripping off david mcguinty's skin :p

[vcr_funeral]

I think I would vote for the Conservatives..I like Harper.

[tetragrammutate]

Originally posted by vcr_funeral
I think I would vote for the Conservatives..I like Harper.
I like Gandhi, but if there was a vote it doesn't mean I'd want him as my Secretary of Defense.

[ihtia0]

Since the house closed, many important pieces of legislation have been prematurely killed off. In some cases this was a good thing, but negative in most. What irritates me is that I know that both Layton and Martin are going to use this to attack Harper (most Canadians associate the forcing of an election to him). In fact, they've both attacked Harper for this already (Martin at the televised caucus meeting after his government was voted out, Layton in some interview). In reality though, it was Martin being stubborn that we have this election now and not called sometime after the new year (he said no to the post-winter election proposal). Layton was a key factor in bringing the government down. The extent of their desparation is poorly covered.

[vcr_funeral]

I like Gandhi, but if there was a vote it doesn't mean I'd want him as my Secretary of Defense.

When I said that I like Harper, it meant that I would love to see him in office. I don't know why so many people (or at least many of my friends) don't like Harper or the Conservative party. I think that if the Conservatives were to be in office they would do a great job.

[carl gustav]

People don't like Harper because they have these crazy ideas about conservatives. All concervatives are racist, and will force women to quit their jobs and stay home.... and so on.
I don't mind Stephen Harper, but it always looks like he is wearing lip stick

[tetragrammutate]

Originally posted by carl gustav
People don't like Harper because they have these crazy ideas about conservatives. All concervatives are racist, and will force women to quit their jobs and stay home.... and so on.
I don't mind Stephen Harper, but it always looks like he is wearing lip stick
Also, I've heard they're against abortion because they like to eat live infants.

That's also why they're against homosexuality. No babies.

[vcr_funeral]

People don't like Harper because they have these crazy ideas about conservatives. All concervatives are racist, and will force women to quit their jobs and stay home.... and so on.
lol.Well for now I would still vote Conservative. I really don't mind some of the Liberal views but I would never vote for them when a huge scandal like this is going on...when the Canadians voted the Liberals in office last election, I thought it was the single stupidest thing one could do..I mean come on, if there are rumors that YOUR money has been involved in a scandal, why the hell would you want to vote the party into office again?!?! So, until Martin is out of our elections, I am Conservative..if we were to have another great leader like Trudeau, I would gladly put the Liberals into office..

[ihtia0]

As of the latests poll, the Liberals and Conservatives are in a dead heat (but a slight Liberal lead). As until now, it seems relatively unchanged. The problem stands in the seats. Due to representation by population, Western provinces have been somewhat screwed when compared to the interest and attention given to Ontario and Quebec. As far as current context goes, this means that winning Ontario and Quebec means winning the election.

Too bad the Bloc has literally taken control of Quebec. They're expecting victory in all but five of the ridings in Quebec or something like that (they're second in those other ridings). Duceppe has 98% of his party's support? That's a frightening number there. In short, Quebec is lost to Harper and Martin. With Quebec gone, they need to be outstandingly victorious in Ontario and victorious in the rest of the country. Too bad it can't happen.

If we take the provincial breakdown of popular votes and take the Liberal loss in Quebec into account (the sponsorship scandal's really put in for them), it is in fact certain that we won't get a majority government this time either.

We're fixed for a minority government. Great. Regardless, I still think Harper would make the better minority leader when compared to Martin.

[carl gustav]

I can understand Duceppe's popularity. He seems like a good leader. If he wasn't a seperatist, I would probably vote for him.

Anyway, I would like to see a minority government with a conservative, NDP alliance. But that would never happen

[ihtia0]

Originally posted by carl gustav
Anyway, I would like to see a minority government with a conservative, NDP alliance. But that would never happen

That would be a short-lived disaster - they disagree on most issues. But yes, it would never happen. Harper & Co. appear much stronger when it comes to leading a minority when compared to Martin & Co. Harper appears to be the kind of leader that would lead our country as he sees fit until he's toppled and wouldn't split leadership with Layton so that his horrid minority can stay for just a little longer.

Despite ending up with a minority either way, Harper is still the best choice.

[vcr_funeral]

^agreed

[jakhobh]

I live in Québec and I'm gonna vote for le Bloc Québécois.
The Liberals are crooks. The Consevatives are the Republicans of Canada.

[ihtia0]

Originally posted by jakhobh
I live in Québec and I'm gonna vote for le Bloc Québécois.
The Liberals are crooks. The Consevatives are the Republicans of Canada.

Although I harbor a decent sum of dislike towards the Bloc, I can understand why Québec residents are supporting them in large numbers. I live in western Canada, and so if a major national party were to emerge with our interests as a priority - well, I'd vote for them (also assuming that their ideology is similar to mine).

[Sinnamon]

I've kicked down 9 david mcguinty signs this week and threw 2 snowballs at a bloc sign. WOOT!

[vcr_funeral]

^ lol. Both of my neighbours are Liberlas so, naturally I ordered a Conservative sign for my lawn :P

[tetragrammutate]

Originally posted by vcr_funeral
^ lol. Both of my neighbours are Liberlas so, naturally I ordered a Conservative sign for my lawn :P
Create your own Liberal sign, and implicate it with legal slander.

For example:
VOTE (Liberal MP here)
TO SUPPORT NATIONAL TERRORISM

[vcr_funeral]

Create your own Liberal sign, and implicate it with legal slander.

lol.Mabey I should...well, I do have this friday off, mabey I will be creative.. :P

[Yusuf]

This has probably already been said, but I'm too lazy to check:

This election is retarded because the polls are roughly the same as they were entering the election. The only people who are going to make any significant gain are with the NDP.

[ihtia0]

Is there anywhere that I can get a recorded version of the recent debate?

[vcr_funeral]

I'm sure that The House of Commons channel will replay it.

[ihtia0]

I've found it! Real Player required.

http://www.cbc.ca/clips/ram-newsworld/debate_051216.ram

[Komaschwarz]

Originally posted by ihtia0
I've found it! Real Player required.

http://www.cbc.ca/clips/ram-newsworld/debate_051216.ram

Thank you for that. By the way ihita0, have you found any location from where you can download the file, not just stream it?

It seems to me that everyone, even the NDP, argued better than Paul Martin.

Martin is such a dolt - "We're a nation of minorities". That's simply nonsense.

You know Martin isn't bringing his A game when Ducep can walk all over his horrible policies.

Harper has had my vote ever since he mentionned that they'll scrap the gun registry mismanaged money (which to me, should be even more of a Liberal scandal than Adscam), and put that money into Law Enforcement.

There's the difference when it comes to security. Paul Martin thinks that banning a particular handgun that has already had decades of limitations placed upon it will drastically lower or end gun crimes. Harper knows this is folly, and that perhaps if Martin hadn't cut the Police budget by nearly 30% that maybe we'd have enough officers to respond to these situations, and actually increase the likelihood of someone being held accountable for their crime.

I'm already a card carrying member of the Conservative party of Canada, and within the next few years, I will try to get a more prominent foothold in that party.

[vcr_funeral]

Thanks so much ihtia0, I watched that last night, it was pretty good...I think Harper did a pretty good job :P

[Dani]

Originally posted by ihtia0
I live in western Canada, and so if a major national party were to emerge with our interests as a priority - well, I'd vote for them (also assuming that their ideology is similar to mine).
...so the Conservative Party of Canada?

[Sinnamon]

in my opinion harper won the eng debate (if you could still call it a debate) and duceppe the french (sans opposition actuelle).

[vcr_funeral]

in my opinion harper won the eng debate (if you could still call it a debate) and duceppe the french (sans opposition actuelle).
I agree hun...even if I don't understand why the fuck Duceppe was there at all :P

[Sinnamon]

he was there to help annihilate the liberal party. (i wish he did a better job)

[vcr_funeral]

(i wish he did a better job)
Is that pro-Liberal?? :O

[vcr_funeral]

The Bloc do better than NDP in a lot of provinces, so the question you should be asking is why do they have Jack Layton there?
true,true..I just don't see why they bother to run...even if I liked them (and I don't..sorry, I don't support a party that wants to leave canada) I could not vote for them because they have no MP's in my riding! so thats really stupid..and yes, I really hate NDP too, they are such socialists..

[Sinnamon]

Originally posted by vcr_funeral
Is that pro-Liberal?? :O


HELL NO. (i meant better job at rippin up the liberal scum) you see my grandfather was conservative mp for the yukon for 30 years. the conservative blood in me dominates my beliefs.

[Komaschwarz]

Originally posted by vcr_funeral
true,true..I just don't see why they bother to run...even if I liked them (and I don't..sorry, I don't support a party that wants to leave canada) I could not vote for them because they have no MP's in my riding! so thats really stupid..and yes, I really hate NDP too, they are such socialists..

I'm not offended that you dislike the BQ. I mostly side with the CPC anyways, and I'm used to people, particularly teenagers who seek rebellion, in trashing my party anyways, so not being fond of my runner up party serves as no personal insult to me.

It's not so much that I dislike the NDP for their socialist platform (though it is grating on my nerves), it's the fact that Layton seems to think we have a much larger economy than we actually do.

[vcr_funeral]

HELL NO. (i meant better job at rippin up the liberal scum) you see my grandfather was conservative mp for the yukon for 30 years. the conservative blood in me dominates my beliefs.
THANK GOD!!! If you said yes, I would have torn you a new asshole! Yes, I love the Conservative party too! woo! *hugs* yay, for a second I thought you were acually pro liberal...ewww..and yes, I do think the BQ did a good job at making Martin look even more like an ass

[Sinnamon]

YAY! a new conservative buddy !! btw esal, my mcguinty sign kicking score is now 14.

[vcr_funeral]

YAY! a new conservative buddy !! btw esal, my mcguinty sign kicking score is now 14.
Yay! Conservative buddies! woo! Yeah, my *Liberal* friend spat his gum at my Conservative sign...I fully intend to get him and his wonderful Liberal sign back tomorrow..hehehehe

[Komaschwarz]

Originally posted by Sinnamon 666
YAY! a new conservative buddy !! btw esal, my mcguinty sign kicking score is now 14.

Dalton Mcguinty? You're from Ontario?

I've met that man; I was not impressed.

[vcr_funeral]

Dalton Mcguinty? You're from Ontario?
You met that twat? Ohh, do tell..and, I'm from Ontario too :)

[Komaschwarz]

Originally posted by vcr_funeral
You met that twat? Ohh, do tell..and, I'm from Ontario too :)

Yeah, I'm a bit of a political nerd. On top of meeting Mcguinty, I've met Jack Layton, Gille Duceppe, and I've spoken once on the phone to Paul Martin, and a couple of times to the Leader of the Opposition, Stephen Harper.

As for Mcguinty, I met him at some community rally he attended in London, where he gave a small speech and did some minor publicity shots.

I talked to him afterwards, and asked him a few questions. While he seems like a decent man overall, I do not agree with many of his political views.

[maugan_ra_3rd]

You mean ... the Colonials have elections?

Whatever for? They should be giving oral service to the Queens' corgies, the insobordinates.

[vcr_funeral]

Yeah, I'm a bit of a political nerd.

hehehe, welcome to the club hun!
and a couple of times to the Leader of the Opposition, Stephen Harper.

ohh Harper..I like him..was he cool when you talked to him, like nice in person?

While he seems like a decent man overall, I do not agree with many of his political views.

I agree..some Liberal MP's seem nice or NDP MP's or whatever, I just really only agree with the Conservatives..

[Komaschwarz]

Originally posted by vcr_funeral

ohh Harper..I like him..was he cool when you talked to him, like nice in person?

Harper is a great man, who earnestly cares about the welfare of Canadian citizens. I've noticed a lot of attempts by his rivals to make him out to fit the stereotypical conservative: cold, uncaring, and against gay marriage. The thing is, anyone who has followed Harper's career would know that he is just the opposite, and it greatly saddens me to see so many people (mostly the youth), who buy into all these lies told by the Liberal party as they attempt to dig themselves out of the grave they've made for themselves.

I agree..some Liberal MP's seem nice or NDP MP's or whatever, I just really only agree with the Conservatives..

Likewise. But in addition to that, I enjoy how Mr. Harper will actually say when something is not possible. All the other parties have presented so called methods of solving the issue with our Health Care by throwing x amount of money at it. Stephen Harper is wise enough to know that this is an issue that has been created from years of neglect, and that it is going to take more than two months to fix. I find that to be amicable about him.

[vcr_funeral]

I enjoy how Mr. Harper will actually say when something is not possible.
Oh, i agree hun! I loved how during the question and answer debate last night he said, "this would be hard"or "It would be hard to do"and other MP's were like "oh we can fix it"and bla bla bla...

hehehe, You are a great guy Komaschwarz, you can be my political buddy too <3 :)

[Persephone]

Originally posted by Sinnamon 666
YAY! a new conservative buddy !! btw esal, my mcguinty sign kicking score is now 14.
Hahaha. It would be sooooo funny if your mom or dad caught you kicking a sign over :p

[Komaschwarz]

Factoid of the day; kicking over a party's political sign is a federal offense, punishable by law. Kick at your discretion.

[vcr_funeral]

^LOL

[Persephone]

Originally posted by Komaschwarz
Factoid of the day; kicking over a party's political sign is a federal offense, punishable by law. Kick at your discretion.
Exactly. And sinn's parents are both RCMP :p

[Komaschwarz]

Originally posted by Persephone
Exactly. And sinn's parents are both RCMP :p

Talk about poking the Devil with a pitchfork.

[Yusuf]

Originally posted by Komaschwarz
Factoid of the day; kicking over a party's political sign is a federal offense, punishable by law. Kick at your discretion.

That's not a factoid. It's a fact.

[Komaschwarz]

Originally posted by Yusuf
That's not a factoid. It's a fact.

I know. I wanted to say factoid, just because it's a fun word to say. Damn you for spoiling my obvious error.

[ihtia0]

Originally posted by Komaschwarz
By the way ihita0, have you found any location from where you can download the file, not just stream it?

Not yet, unfortunatley.

Everybody seems to gush over Layton's speeches and recent debate performances. I myself found those less than impressive. Most points were structured only on the basis of why the NDP is the "correct" voting option - a sure misfire when this will be looked back upon in the years to come. Layton would make an excellent salesman, no doubt - but that isn't what people need.

Under Broadbent, the NDP received 40-some seats, which happens to be their record - and the reason that Layton references him so much. Referencing Broadbent because of his back-then popularity won't make Layton popular. Mulroney won the largest majority government in Canadian history and you don't see Harper referencing him. Coincidentally, Harper runs on his own policies and is tied for the lead whereas Layton is trailing.

[Sinnamon]

Originally posted by Komaschwarz
Dalton Mcguinty? You're from Ontario?

I've met that man; I was not impressed.

I'm not impressed by Dalton either, and his brother David is running again in my riding, i'm not impressed by him either. And kicking signs is only a federal offense if you're caught :p And I did my good deed to society the other day anyway, there was a snow storm and I noticed a fallen down Alan Cutler sign, so I picked it back up (what a good citizen i am :p)

[vcr_funeral]

I noticed a fallen down Alan Cutler sign, so I picked it back up

*claps* What a great Canadian :P

*Runs away yelling GO HARPER*
-Brooke

[Sinnamon]

And the Tories take the fucking lead in the polls...

(WOOT!)

[vcr_funeral]

WOOOOOOOOOO! Go HARPER!!!!!!*does happy dance*

[ihtia0]

Yeah, I've been pretty happy with this reported new Tory lead in the polls. Far from the lead I'd like them to have, but good nonetheless.

[kundun5]

All of you conservative types deserve dirty drinking water , unclean air ,unsafe vehicles and an economic depression so that you can enjoy the fruits of the conservative agenda.

Eat shit and die , you morons:)

[Yusuf]

Originally posted by kundun5
All of you conservative types deserve dirty drinking water , unclean air ,unsafe vehicles and an economic depression so that you can enjoy the fruits of the conservative agenda.

Eat shit and die , you morons:)

Um... this thread is about the Canadian election.

Are you familiar with Canadian politics?

Conservatives, in Canada, are roughly equal to the Democrats. And the Liberals are roughly equal to left-wing republicans. Left-wing republicans? Yeah. That's right. Left-wing republicans.

The Liberals are left of the Conservatives, but not by much.

Canadian politics don't make any sense.

[kundun5]

Originally posted by Yusuf
Um... this thread is about the Canadian election.

Are you familiar with Canadian politics?

Conservatives, in Canada, are roughly equal to the Democrats. And the Liberals are roughly equal to left-wing republicans. Left-wing republicans? Yeah. That's right. Left-wing republicans.

The Liberals are left of the Conservatives, but not by much.

Canadian politics don't make any sense. Absolutle not, I'm not. I was just being an asshole:)

[laterali]

I'm voting Green Party.

[vcr_funeral]

I'm voting Green Party.

HIPPIE!!! :P jks. As long as the Liberals are not in ofiice, I'm fine...but still.. GO HARPER!! woo!

[Sinnamon]

Debate tonight, WOOT!!!

BTW, Conservatives 37%, Lib 29% !!!!!!!:D:D:D:D:D

[vcr_funeral]

wooo! debate! I can't wait! 56 minutes to go! :P *GO HARPER*

[Sinnamon]

the only prob is that the other guys will be trying to make Harper look like the devil again *sigh*, now that he's in the lead. Also, you should check the cover of maclean's magazine this week, they've demonized Harper again :( cover photo at least. GGRRR. Fucking liberal media.

[vcr_funeral]

the only prob is that the other guys will be trying to make Harper look like the devil again *sigh*, now that he's in the lead. Also, you should check the cover of maclean's magazine this week, they've demonized Harper again :( cover photo at least. GGRRR. Fucking liberal media.

*pats back* I know....but, if anything that means that the Liberal's are trying to increase their shrinking numbers...because, face it..they may make Harper look like an idiot, but these numbers do not lie. :) I just hope the Canadian people see that there is no reason to have the Liberals in office again..we don't need another Gomery report. *sigh* The Conservatives acually have a chance! woo! :)

[Yusuf]

Originally posted by laterali
I'm voting Green Party.

Honestly, I like their platform more than any other party's. The problem with them is that most of their candidates aren't suitable.

[ihtia0]

Any thoughts on tonight's debate?

[vcr_funeral]

Tonight's debate was pretty good. I enjoyed seeing Martin squirm and seeing Harper be less mechanical. I can't wait to see the numbers tomorrow. (yes, you will probably see them tonight, but I am going to bed :P)

*go HARPER*

[ihtia0]

Seeing as how Harper went in there with a Conservative lead according to all three major polling sources, it comes as no surprise that there were increased attacks geared at him. Harper came off with a good defense almost everytime.

I also noticed a strong improvement in Gilles Duceppe from all fronts. He seems more vocal, more straightforward, and gave responses that were better thought out than previously.

[Yusuf]

I was disappointed with Layton. He used the old political trick of twisting questions to talk about whatever random subject he deemed important. He spouted mostly rhetoric, and was very repetitive.

Paul Martin was the usual Paul Martin. Harper was Harper Lite. Harper had a problem with responding to accusations, but at least he appeared to be quite honest.

Duceppe greatly impressed me, but I still don't buy his separtist crap!

Harper's challenge for Martin to debate with the separtists was a good move. I agree.

In the end, though, I am still a Liberal supporter - kind of.

[vcr_funeral]

Duceppe greatly impressed me, but I still don't buy his separtist crap!

Same here. I still really like the Conservatives and it was no shock that Layton and Martin went after Harper like that. I think Harper did a pretty good job with answering the questions though.
But still, on a different note, what bothers me about Layton (first off I don't support socialists at all) is the way he speaks. I think it comes off as cheesy and over done. ugghh..any who..off to check the numbers *GO HARPER*

[Sinnamon]

Harper just fucking pwned the french debate, after duceppe, only cuz he's french, he was fighting the conservative surge in the polls.

[ihtia0]

Did anybody catch one of Martin's major screw-ups in tonight's French-language debate? He attacked Jack Layton for Conservative Party proposals. Idiot.

[Supermonkey]

Originally posted by Komaschwarz
If one of the opposition parties declares a vote of nonconfidence, and we're pushed towards a May or June election (which is quite likely), who would you vote for?

In case you've been out of the loop, it is likely we will have an early election due to the mismanagement and embezzlement of 300 million dollars by several key heads of the Liberal Party of Canada (including currect Prime Minister/prior head of finances), and many of his cronies.

As you can imagine, millions of dollars being given to sponsorship programs for little to no work in return at the expense of the tax payers severely pisses off the public.



Canada's a fine example of an effective, functional democracy..there's a new trend. it's "cool" to visit Canada, alot of people I know have visited and plan on visiting. I want to visit...a friends family moved there...maybe it's because they allow gay marriage... JK :P

[vcr_funeral]

Did anybody catch one of Martin's major screw-ups in tonight's French-language debate? He attacked Jack Layton for Conservative Party proposals. Idiot.

Hell yes I did! Did you see Layton's face when Martin was talking about the Conservative proposal? hahaha priceless!

Harper just fucking pwned the french debate, after duceppe, only cuz he's french, he was fighting the conservative surge in the polls.

I know! I really think the Conservatives might take this on the 23rd...I just hope they become a majority so they can acually get something done! woo! Plus, I have noticed soooo many more Conservative signs in my neighborhood! (it is a really Liberal area too) :) GO HARPER!

[Sinnamon]

I live in a Liberal Stronghold, the mcguinty family rules here, but there are still ALOT of Cutler Signs.

[vcr_funeral]

I live in a Liberal Stronghold, the mcguinty family rules here, but there are still ALOT of Cutler Signs.

That sucks. There are mabey 7 signs on my street...and no Liberal signs. That's pretty good for a bleeding-heart Liberal area. :) heh..I was telling Persephone yesterday on msn that I should really pm you sometime....apparently you are quite the political nerd :P Well, I am too..hehe (this is coming from a kid that did her book report on JFK in grade 3 so yes, I think I am a political nerd too :P )

[ihtia0]

In case you already aren't, I'd like to encourage all you folks to volunteer for the Conservative Party in your local riding. The election is upcoming very shortly now but there are plenty of opportunities for you to assist and volunteers are always welcome there. Get involved and do your part.

Originally posted by vcr_funeral
Did you see Layton's face when Martin was talking about the Conservative proposal? hahaha priceless!

Indeed, that must've been the amusing facial expression I've seen in quite some time.

[vcr_funeral]

In case you already aren't, I'd like to encourage all you folks to volunteer for the Conservative Party in your local riding.

hehehe, one step ahead of ya hun, I signed up like 2 days ago :)

[Sinnamon]

Originally posted by vcr_funeral
That sucks. There are mabey 7 signs on my street...and no Liberal signs. That's pretty good for a bleeding-heart Liberal area. :) heh..I was telling Persephone yesterday on msn that I should really pm you sometime....apparently you are quite the political nerd :P Well, I am too..hehe (this is coming from a kid that did her book report on JFK in grade 3 so yes, I think I am a political nerd too :P )

persephone told you i'm a political nerd eh? hehe

meh. I'm a member of the OPCYA, the Ontraio PC Youth Association from the last provincial election, I haven't signed up for the feds yet but sooner or later I will.

[vcr_funeral]

persephone told you i'm a political nerd eh? hehe

Yup.. :P

I am acually gunna join the Conservative Party and as of now, I'm gunna volunteer for them. :) yay for political nerdyness \m/

[ihtia0]

I was at one of the call centres for nearly four hours today. Of the many residents of the many ridings I spoke to across the country, I can tell you there's a really good chance that Belinda will not be representing Aurora-New Market.

[Sinnamon]

^ That's the best news i've heard all day.

[ihtia0]

Some Liberal inside circles are chirping because on Saturday, CTV is supposed to air something that's "nuclear" for Harper.

I don't know if there's any truth to this.

In good news, there's this week's Liberal scandal. (http://www.canada.com/story.html?id=50a29068-f0ea-48df-a60b-4ed3be552cba&k=97644)

[Sinnamon]

^ hehe, that and buzz hargrove called stephen harper a separatist and martin had to apologize :p

[vcr_funeral]

*creams panties* :) I just got back from meeting Mr.Harper at a rally! I shook his hand twice and got a picture with him!! The rally was also on CPAC and my dad and I were on stage with him! woo! Anywho, off to Bytowne *GO HARPER*

[Sinnamon]

^ bytowne? whats that, that's the old name of ottawa, and its the name of a theater here...????

[ihtia0]

Originally posted by Sinnamon 666
^ hehe, that and buzz hargrove called stephen harper a separatist and martin had to apologize :p

Even better: Hargrove said that Stephen Harper was a separatist and that Quebecers should vote Bloc to stop him.

[Oamlhtw]

Earlier today I was driving around and at the corner of a stop light there were about 6 college students with Green Party signs trying to gain support. The one guy help up his sign while looking at my friends and I and said "Vote Greenparty; vote with vision!" I pointed at him and pretended to laugh really hard and he just stood there looking kind of embarrassed and hurt.

I felt bad but I had a damn good laugh about it later.

[laterali]

What ever happened to the Marijuana party?


What a bunch a stoners.



I think I"ll go NDP

[tetragrammutate]

I'm not voting and I'm not turning on the television tonight to find out who will obviously win the election.

And whoever *ahem* is elected into office I'm not going to complain about whatsoever. By complaining about the shitty choices for voting we have in the first place I think that says enough about this country's leaders right now.

[Sinnamon]

Today is a historical day for Canada. Fuck the liberals.

I can't wait to see the Right Honourable Stephen Harper.

[vcr_funeral]

^ bytowne? whats that, that's the old name of ottawa, and its the name of a theater here...????

Yes, Bytowne is Ottawa..I was there on Sat. * go Harper*

[Dani]

Originally posted by Sinnamon 666
Today is a historical day for Canada. Fuck the liberals.

I can't wait to see the Right Honourable Stephen Harper.
I can.

[Sinnamon]

Originally posted by vcr_funeral
Yes, Bytowne is Ottawa..I was there on Sat. * go Harper*

damn! you shoulda told me and we coulda chilled! and kicked down some liberal signs!!!

[Dani]

Originally posted by Sinnamon 666
damn! you shoulda told me and we coulda chilled! and kicked down some liberal signs!!!
That says alot for the kind of people who support the Neo-Cons.

[vcr_funeral]

damn! you shoulda told me and we coulda chilled! and kicked down some liberal signs!!!

aww..next time hun. :)

[Komaschwarz]

Riding results available in 32 minutes.

[Dani]

Originally posted by esal
nobody involved in this mud-slinging festival of an election can be deemed honourable, and i can't imagine stephen harper ever being right about anything. :p

(and don't try for a right WING pun, cause that'd be lame)

ZING!





you really can't fault sinn for it, though. it's in his blood. his grandfather was deputy prime-minister in the mulroney government. i guess you'd call it sort of a genetic disorder. :p
So you're saying he's not thinking for himself ? Not trying to start shit , just goofin around. :P

THe Liberals are only leading by 10 seats with aprox 180 seats to go...this is not looking good :(

[Komaschwarz]

Live Updates Here (http://www.cbc.ca/canadavotes/).

[Dani]

CBC is now predicting a Minority Conservative government


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/spookydani/iotd14.jpg

So this is how liberty dies...

[Yusuf]

Originally posted by Dani
CBC is now predicting a Minority Conservative government


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/spookydani/iotd14.jpg

So this is how liberty dies...

That's a bit extreme.

He can't do anything. Conservative minorites are mostly just stalls.

[Sinnamon]

MUAHAHA. My paycheck just went up. It's gonna be a beautiful day tommorrow! Stand the fuck up for Canada or sit the fuck down. Go Conservative. Go Harper, and bye-bye paul. Oh, and yes and if you voted NDP...you'll get jack.


:)

[Yusuf]

Originally posted by Sinnamon 666
MUAHAHA. My paycheck just went up. It's gonna be a beautiful day tommorrow! Stand the fuck up for Canada or sit the fuck down. Go Conservative. Go Harper, and bye-bye paul. Oh, and yes and if you voted NDP...you'll get jack.

It's a minority government. A Conservative minority can't do a thing.

Besides, NDP PWNS Tories any day.

[KrazzyJoe]

Originally posted by Dani
CBC is now predicting a Minority Conservative government


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/spookydani/iotd14.jpg

So this is how liberty dies...

...with thunderous applause?

/end Senator Amidala

[ihtia0]

What a glorious evening. I was at the campaign HQ and I was able to get a seat very close to the main podium.

I'll write some more and post my pictures and video tomorrow. I'm tired right now.

[Sinnamon]

^ were you in calgary? if so, is that where you're from?

[vcr_funeral]

Oh, and yes and if you voted NDP...you'll get jack.

hahahhaha...I love that..Air Farce rocks! :P

[Sinnamon]

Originally posted by esal
it's gonna be a really stagnant parliament for the next eighteen months. the tories don't have anyone to join forces with, everyone else is much further left than them.

*e

dude canadians don't WANT another election, it will work cuz the parties know that canadians don't want one. plus bloc + conservatives >seats than liberals + NDP.

[Dani]

Originally posted by KrazzyJoe
...with thunderous applause?

/end Senator Amidala
I'm glad someone got my nerd joke :P

They're predicting that the Neo-Con government will last no more then 2 years. The Neo-COns didn't win becasue people like theirpolicy, the won becasue people wanted to send a message to the Liberals. The Con's spent the whole election trying to convince people that the Librals were criminals and a large portion of the country would rather these criminals then a Neo-Con government. If i were a Neo-Con I woudl view this as a loss, considering the Liberals track record, the smear campagin and all the promises they were making, they SHOULD have won a majority.

[Yusuf]

Originally posted by Sinnamon 666
dude canadians don't WANT another election, it will work cuz the parties know that canadians don't want one. plus bloc + conservatives >seats than liberals + NDP.

Yeah, but the Bloc is a LEFT WING party. I'll show you a diagram of where the parties stand:

NDP---Bloc--Liberals---Conservatives

A Liberal minority could pas left-wing legistlation through NDP and right wing legislation through the Conservatives. A Conservative minority can't do a thing. The Liberals will probably let the Conservatives sit in power for the full 4 years accomplishing nothing and then stand up and say, "The Conservatives are incompetent. Nothing they have done has produced any benefits in the last 4 years. All change has been made from the opposition." Then come into power for another 13 years.

[Dani]

Originally posted by Yusuf
Yeah, but the Bloc is a LEFT WING party. I'll show you a diagram of where the parties stand:

NDP---Bloc--Liberals---Conservatives

A Liberal minority could pas left-wing legistlation through NDP and right wing legislation through the Conservatives. A Conservative minority can't do a thing. The Liberals will probably let the Conservatives sit in power for the full 4 years accomplishing nothing and then stand up and say, "The Conservatives are incompetent. Nothing they have done has produced any benefits in the last 4 years. All change has been made from the opposition." Then come into power for another 13 years.
So true.

[Sinnamon]

what i see happening is Ignatieff becoming the liberal leader and he could beat harper, naturally everything depends on how effective harper is a delivering his promises. of course, they'll be all put forward immediately but will the opposition play dirty bugger with the cons. Ignatieff would be a solid leader for the liberals and if he does become it, the conservatives might be fucked. we'll see what happens until then. meanwhile, enjoy your 6% GST for a while. oh and yusuf, you might not have to worry so much in TO about being shot if handgun ban goes.

edit: and duceppe said today he'll cooperate w/ harper on an issue to issue basis.

[Dani]

Originally posted by Sinnamon 666


edit: and duceppe said today he'll cooperate w/ harper on an issue to issue basis.
He also said that we would cooperate with the Neo-Cons jsut as they cooperated with the Liberals in the past. Do I need to remind you how well the BQ cooperated with the Liberals say, about 2 months ago?
As far as the Liberal leadership goes, I always thought it woudl be funny if someone like Ken Dryden ran and won. A hockey player trying to become Prime Minister jsut seems fitting for us Canucks.

[ihtia0]

Originally posted by Sinnamon 666
^ were you in calgary? if so, is that where you're from?

Yes and yes.



Anyhow, I posted this initially in "laterali's hate thread known better as the Conservative victory thread," but I find it more fitting here:


Despite being a minority, I'm confident that this will be a succesful government and will last two years. What opposition party will argue the policies on accountability, gun crimes, lowering the GST, and onwards? The main policies are bound to go across with only minimal problems from the rest. Also, parties are drained from running two federal elections in less than two years - giving the Conservatives government more time to function and do its job.

Most of my pictures from last night turned out pretty badly as the camera picked up most of the light coming down. Oh well. Here are some of the ones on which anything is distinguishable.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v673/smashedspine/DSC01110.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v673/smashedspine/DSC01112.jpg

I also took some video footage to document the crowd and the evening. I figured the major networks would catch the speech, so I didn't bother to get that.

Crowd watching as early East Coast numbers are coming in. http://s14.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3E8XQDYIHC4WY16F9LVAAJ2T1E

Crowd anticipation as Tory lead grows.
http://s14.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3IX9JUTQ8TQDH0E29HX50KZDBI

Crowd watching for size of government after Tory numbers overtake Liberal numbers.
http://s14.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=35YEJPNYI5X6P1QH7RUR0333MD

Crowd excitment as Harper enters the room.
http://s14.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=31XC7FNH6IAGM14SI5PGKZXBR3

Stephen Harper walks up to podium.
http://s14.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=08S9YEGP0CLUC2W41B14G0AVL5

[Sinnamon]

Nice Pictures!!!

[Persephone]

Originally posted by Sinnamon 666
Nice Pictures!!!
Hahaha. Funny how say that with the same enthusiasm as you do for the pics in the boob and crotch threads :p

[Sinnamon]

lol. funny how you can hear what i type?!!?!

[Persephone]

Originally posted by Sinnamon 666
lol. funny how you can hear what i type?!!?!
I can totally see how many exclamation marks you use though :p

[Sinnamon]

uh i just hold the button down. i dont!! care! how many!!! fucking!!! points I put in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1.

[ihtia0]

Originally posted by Sinnamon 666
Nice Pictures!!!

They would've been good pictures had the light not worked out in a way that makes Mr. Harper look like Ghost Rider.

[Sinnamon]

The Main Reason you should vote for him:

Stephen Harper Likes Kittens.

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=f72fe4d0-434a-4076-b01d-cc231d8eb7c7

[ihtia0]

Originally posted by Sinnamon 666
The Main Reason you should vote for him:

Stephen Harper Likes Kittens.

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=f72fe4d0-434a-4076-b01d-cc231d8eb7c7

... and Star Trek.

http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/story.html?id=bbbb1389-584b-4c27-8c99-19dabcfdd66d&k=75175

[Sinnamon]

^ LOL! too bad he hasn't realized that Star Wars > Star Trek.

[ihtia0]

Originally posted by Sinnamon
Star Wars > Star Trek.

Strongly agreed.

[Sinnamon]

yesterday Harper suffered an asthma attack, he was rushed to hospital where he said he's fine, I hope he's feeling better.

[vcr_funeral]

yesterday Harper suffered an asthma attack, he was rushed to hospital where he said he's fine, I hope he's feeling better.

Are you serious? wow. I hope he is ok.

[ihtia0]

Originally posted by Sinnamon
yesterday Harper suffered an asthma attack, he was rushed to hospital where he said he's fine, I hope he's feeling better.

I just read about that a few minutes ago. Hopefully he's better now and this doesn't happen again.

[Sinnamon]

the ottawa media is making fun of harper cuz he shook his son's hand before he left for school and they're saying hes not a good father cuz he didn't hug him goodbye. GOD THIS PISSES ME OFF!

Fuckin media these days.

[ihtia0]

Originally posted by Sinnamon
the ottawa media is making fun of harper cuz he shook his son's hand before he left for school and they're saying hes not a good father cuz he didn't hug him goodbye. GOD THIS PISSES ME OFF!

Fuckin media these days.

I heard about that. I hate the media.

Anyhow, apparently he didn't actually have an asthma attack.

"I'm fine. I have a chest cold so we just went for a precautionary checkup,'' Harper said as he slipped into his waiting government limousine.

Aides are downplaying the seriousness of the incident, saying Harper did not suffer an asthma attack -- as some media reported -- and simply was prescribed antibiotics for a possible respiratory infection.

"For the past couple of days he was feeling like there was something in his chest, like a cold,'' said spokeswoman Carolyn Stewart Olsen, noting Harper had viral pneumonia two years ago during the Conservative leadership race.
http://www.canada.com/topics/news/story.html?id=8bf2d5ad-0446-4b4d-9df0-a6e9904a82bf

[Persephone]

Originally posted by Sinnamon
the ottawa media is making fun of harper cuz he shook his son's hand before he left for school and they're saying hes not a good father cuz he didn't hug him goodbye. GOD THIS PISSES ME OFF!

Fuckin media these days.
Yeah, i saw footage of that on the news. I have nothing against Harper and I don't think it makes him a bad dad, but it was really quite amusing.

[Sinnamon]

its funny they pick up that but not how when he arrived here in ottawa and just got off the plane, he gave his son a props that was a fuckin weird ass dealio with like rock paper scissors motions etc...

[ihtia0]

What do the rest of you hope to come of the open spot for Liberal leader?

[Sinnamon]

well, I think if Ignatieff gets it, harper could be in for a race. If Mc Kenna gets it, fuck that shit. Otherwise, Belinda will get it. And who knows what she'll do. probably join the NDP or something.

[ihtia0]

Originally posted by Sinnamon
well, I think if Ignatieff gets it, harper could be in for a race. If Mc Kenna gets it, fuck that shit. Otherwise, Belinda will get it. And who knows what she'll do. probably join the NDP or something.

McKenna and Ignatieff definitley seem like the two most likely ones to win leadership (now that Manley's declined anyway). Looking at everything, I'd say that McKenna would be more popular with Liberal party members but would seriously bomb with Canadian people. Ignatieff on the other hand will have serious work to do to get leadership (and if he does get it, it will be narrow), but he seems like he'll put on an excellent challenge in the next election.

Stronach's only use would be interim leader until the next leadership convention in the spring.

[Sinnamon]

Did Bill Graham say he might throw in his name?

[ihtia0]

Originally posted by Sinnamon
Did Bill Graham say he might throw in his name?

I've heard that he might become interim leader for awhile.

[Yusuf]

I want Allan Rock for Liberal lead.

[ihtia0]

Originally posted by Yusuf
I want Alan Rock for Liberal lead.

http://www.fewings.ca/archives01/images/165-AlanRockNotRunning_jpg.gif

[Sinnamon]

Meh, as long as its not Belinda, I'll be happy.

[Sinnamon]

Some election highlights, gotta thank rick mercer:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v648/erik_t_30/harper_martin_I27ll20give20you20tax.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v648/erik_t_30/gollum1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v648/erik_t_30/martin_harper_borged20--20trevor20g.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v648/erik_t_30/GoodBoySanta20--20doug20webber.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v648/erik_t_30/Dan20C20-20Harpertron20versus20Opti.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v648/erik_t_30/glovesoff20--20wayne20mcdowell.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v648/erik_t_30/titanadalarge20--20jordan20van20dij.jpg

[ihtia0]

^Bwahaha!

This one's my favourite; I find it to be the most fitting.

Originally posted by Sinnamon
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v648/erik_t_30/gollum1.jpg

[Sinnamon]

It also fittingly explains the NDP's role in the house...

[ihtia0]

Originally posted by Sinnamon
It also fittingly explains the NDP's role in the house...

Agreed. I hope that Jack Layton quickly realizes that he is not "the balance of power." I can't stand the black-mailing, power hungry, son of a bitch. Of all major party leaders, I dislike him the most strongly.

Anyhow, McKenna announced that he won't seek Liberal leadership.

[Sinnamon]

in the voice of jack referring to liberals..

"they stole it...they stole our precious taxdollars...stupid fat liberals...give it back to us, raw and wriggling..."


lol. good to hear mckenna won't run...but it looks like its gonna be ignatieff or belinda...

[ihtia0]

Originally posted by Sinnamon
lol. good to hear mckenna won't run...but it looks like its gonna be ignatieff or belinda...

If either of them do win, I have a growing suspicion that neither would have a landslide of party support.

Originally posted by Sinnamon
in the voice of jack referring to liberals..

"they stole it...they stole our precious taxdollars...stupid fat liberals...give it back to us, raw and wriggling..."

Ha!

I wouldn't trust Layton & Co. with tax dollars either. Their election platform and fiscal plan cost nearly $72 billion; far more expensive than that of any other party. If our economy were to go into another recession, an NDP government would go into debt.

[Sinnamon]

^ 72 Billion?!?!?!?!????????

[ihtia0]

Originally posted by Sinnamon
^ 72 Billion?!?!?!?!????????

Yeah. Nearly $20 billion more costly than this year's Liberal election promise.

[Sinnamon]

WOW, I didn't catch that....fuckin idiots, they should go fucking cut down some damn trees to make all that money.yeesh.

[ihtia0]

The election didn't really leave a big mark on the Canadian dollar. 87.24 cents to the US dollar as of yesterday and still climbing. It usually dived a noticeable bit during each federal election. I wonder how long this will hold up.

[ihtia0]

Thoughts on the choices for Cabinet, anyone?

[Komaschwarz]

I'm glad to see McKay where he is.

[Dani]

I'm very irritated that Harper apointed someone from Monteral to the senate with a tempory seat to make him a cabinate minister to ensure that the CITY of Monteral would be heard. However his solution to ensure that the PROVINCE of Prince Edward Island is represented is to give Mckay the responsibility. Mckay is not well liked on PEI at all, and I find it hard to believe that Mckay gives two shits about PEI.