the drum thread

[dave303]

drummers....
what kit do you use?
favourite drummer?
Favourite style?
favourite song for drumming?
what are you learning now?
or anything else, post pics of your kit, videos or whatever

i have a tama rockstar 5 piece kit, mapex forge xl double pedal, zildjian zxt 16 crash, 16 medium crash, 18 crash, 20ride, china, 10splash, 14 hi hats, and all tama roadpro stands

fave drummers are joey jordison, ginger, dave lombardo,

[Sinnamon]

I play Yamaha Stage Custom Stadard with Z Custom Cymbals ( 18" medium crash,17" rock crash, 16' medium crash. 22" (sabian AA )ride, 18" china, 15" mastersound hats(soon), 16" crap crash, 20" china, 20" medium crash (crap) and a paiste RUDE 10" splash, ...I have Iron Cobra pedals too of course!

Fav. drummers: Ginger, Joey Jordison, Adrian Erlandsson (Cof), J.D. Blair (Shania Twain, Victor Wooten), John Tempesta, Mike Portnoy, Ben Graves (Murderdolls), Tommy Clufetos (Alice Cooper/Ted Nugent), Eric Singer (KISS/Alice Cooper) and Shannon Larkin (Godsmack) + a few more.

Song for drumming...the opening to painkiller by Judas Priest

learning dance of eternity by dream theater

recent discovery: a year ago i discovered that aquarian drum heads kick remo's ass. Try their Studio X models...and of course the super kick on the bass drums for an awesome sound.

[dave303]

^^^ i like remo emperor coated skins, just personally, though aquarians are cool. i have 2 holz in my bass, and have it miked up, and sound altered with the pa to get a great bass sound

[Damian]

I'm not a drummer by any means. But I play on the following.

Pearl Export - EX (2 mounted toms, 2 floor, extra snare-left of highhat)
Pearl Elimnator Highhat stand & Double-bass pedal

(from left to right)

Sabian 14" High Hats (some intry-level)
Zildjian A Custom 14" Crash
Zildjian A Custom 15" Crash
Zildjian A Custom 16" Crash
Zildjian A Custom 18" China
Wuhan (ghetto mini china, used as harsh splash)
Zildjian ZBT 20" Ride

Yea, it's a poor man's kit, but I've gotten it to sound pretty good.
Remo Pinstripe Heads, except Aquarian for Bass drums.

Favorite Drummers:

Chris Pennie - The Dillinger Escape Plan
Danny Carry - Tool
Joey Jordison
Jerome Dillion
Neil Pert
Brandon Parkin - a kid I jam with, but an extremely underated drummer

Favorite Style of Music:
Metal, Industrial, Math-Rock, Some Hardcore

Best drumming in a song?
Toss Up Between:
43% Burnt - Dillinger Escape Plan % Third Eye - Tool

[Sinnamon]

^heard alot about dillinger but never checked em out... I hear they play an extreme kind of metal that is close to hard core?!?

I also used to be a remo guy until i felt like splurging on these aquarians...i must admit though...In 6 years, other than my snare...i've never tried coated heads or anything other than remo pinstripes on my toms (until studio x's). Any advantages to coated toms???

What type of sticks do you guys use...I alternate between ahead Joey Jordison's and various zildjian sticks.

[Damian]

Dillinger is insane math rock. Some say they pick their time signatures off rolling a pair of dice, others say math. Crazy jazz and fusion shit in there as well.

I've never really used other heads, just cause I'm afraid of spending that much for something that will suck. As for sticks, I use pretty much just 5A. Then again, I'm not a drummer so I don't know if that's what it's called.

[Sinnamon]

Originally posted by prescribed model
My computer desk
A turkey bone
A frying pan


Because I'm an artist.

\m/ oo \m/

[Sinnamon]

This is to start a good argument: Sabian or Zildjian...or perhaps paiste?

I'm a Zildjian guy myself...

[Damian]

I perfer Zildjian. they are thinner, crisper and just fit my style. Even though Sabian's are thicker, I've seen them crack more than Zildjian. But some people will swear the exact oppiste.

[dave303]

ever since i smashed up a sbian pro sonic crash i have stuck with zildjian. more power, more versatile and durable. paiste rudes r good. zildkian zs are the best

[Sinnamon]

^^AGREED! I smashed 3 B8's as a kid and I havent bought anymore Sabian's since. Although I was aware B8's suck...I was hopeing they'd last a little longer than 2 years.

[dave303]

they had b8s at school. when i started playing them, i thaught thew were cool. and school kits suck,there all 20 year old premiers with no bottom skins and green cymbals

[Sinnamon]

^ same at my school, we/ve got an old rogers kit...an old tama swingstar and a crappy old old pearl export. note: old green B8's too...I'll take a pic of my cracked B8's and post it in a bit...

[dave303]

cracked pro sonix, sos bout quality shabba camera

[Sinnamon]

Originally posted by dave303
cracked pro sonix, sos bout quality shabba camera

holy shit lol

[dave303]

best manson song to play to.... i like lunchbox, or posthuman

[Sinnamon]

hmm..tough choice... beautiful people and disposable teens have some fun tom stuff...astonishing panorama can be fun but...I like to keep a nice simple groove so im gonna go with spade because i love the "drive" feeling it has...especially in the chorus...and also coma white has some fun easy grooving.

[Damian]

Fav Manson songs: Tourniquet, Mechanical Animals, Posthuman, Angel With the Scabbed Wings, Burning Flag, President Dead, Born Again.

[kundun5]

fav. Manson drum Songs. Cake and sodomy, PostHuman, DDBBZZ, bright Young Things, Spade, The Reflecting God, ACSS.

[Sinnamon]

Fav. Ginger Kit anyone?...im gonna go with the GGG setup, or MA three bass drum setup.

[dave303]

ill say... the GGG set up

[Gravityeye]

Defently GGG set up. I perfer the high-hat being on the right and using left mainly on snare.

[Sinnamon]

Just a note...I disliked the Grotesk Burlesk kit alot because although it was very "creative"... I find it hard to see ginger cuz of the big bass drum and overall the kit wasn't setup nicely. anyone agree?

[dave303]

^^ yah i agree. and the big bass drum wasnt even real!!

[Sinnamon]

anyone seen/heard pearl's new reference series drums? apparently they're the shit!

[dave303]

yeah, my friend is gonna get one with 2 bass drums, 3 toms and 2 floor toms, so ill tell ya we i play on one firts hand. Tama have brought out new superstar models, replacing the rockstars, which i have. I dont know whether 2 upgrade, cos the colours are ace, but i dont think the sound will be much improved.

[Sinnamon]

^very cool

I'll have to check out these supertars...havent tried/seen em yet.

Heard good things bout em though

[dave303]

im lookin at superstars now, and pearl referance, and the other new kits coming out. what i like now is that you can order larger kits direct from the companies--or what i meanis like, on old kits there was 4 options, fusion, standard rock and something else.

now you can order kits with 2 bass drums, 3 toms, 2 floor toms etc from most companies now, so its easier to get good set ups. for kit a.t.m it costs a bomb to order just a bass drum, or extras

[Sinnamon]

So true...I wanted another bass drum when i first got my kit but to start its 600$ separate... then shipping from japan, o god!...so my parents threw in the final verdict and got me an iron cobra which has done the trick nicely but if i ever come across ~1000 bucks i'd have another bass drum in an instant.

[dave303]

the last gig we played i used the support bands kit, and it was a mapex v with 2 bass drums, i prefered using that to double pedal.

[Sinnamon]

of course!! 2 bass drums is way better!!!...I find the main difference is that for me i have a 20" bass so the second pedal when it strikes the head it rides almost like an "aftershock" of the first pedal on the skin and it slows my speed down.

[dave303]

have you seen the new dualist triple pedals??its cheating but, me it makes anyone sound like a bass drum pro. Gay ass prices tho, not as good as iron cobra.

http://www.theduallist.com/[/URL]

[Sinnamon]

^holy shit those dualists are insane!! I never figured out how they worked...I always read about them in MD but wow...i've got to try those.

[dave303]

i was on roland v drums and big rock, in my town other week. there quite fun, sound ace, but not really for live purposes, unless mixed with an acoustic kit// eg rammstein. u played one??

[Sinnamon]

not roland v drums...heard good things I've played on the Yamaha DTXtremes thogh and they're sick.

[dave303]

and there not as xpensive rite??

[Sinnamon]

I dunno but i do know that the yamaha dtx press ones are crap. They're really cheap...i think it depends on what model of the dtxtremes...i'd like to try some ddrum's too....

[dave303]

do you know anything about ddrum triggers?? i know there supposed to be good, and i was thinking about maybe just getting a snare one to start...

[Sinnamon]

they are insane...i played on Shania Twain's drummer's drum set and OMG!!! Everything was triggered and the drums were the best drums I have ever heard in my life. They modify the sound to sound almost electric and wow...i've never heard such beautiful drums in my life.

[dave303]

thats my next buy then.


btw...... shania twains drummers kit??? whaaat

[Sinnamon]

ya here at an ottawa show they needed drummers for a song so i auditioned and got in and during sound check J.D. Blair...her drummer (also worked with victor wooten) was lettin us test em and wow imagine playing in an empty arena...omg it was like thunder when i just tapped the snare...lol

[dave303]

kool, the biggest place ive played was somewhere where you could fit about 700 people- we were only playing to 350 people though.

i had heard good stuff about triggers, and thaught about getting them rather then an electric kit, and now i prob will. but ill have to get import cos there hard to get in the uk. and i hate ebay.

[Sinnamon]

Cool...I suggest ddrums of course but sometimes the brains that you buy to process the sound can be pretty expensive!!

[Sinnamon]

do you have a drum rack?

[dave303]

i gotta wait till christmas, cos im broke. ill get a gibraltar one, i think, i want a circular one, but my friend said get a square one, cos they slide too much on criculars. ne help??

[Sinnamon]

I've only played on a yamaha and its top quality (i dont have one though), however, i've heard the gibraltar rack factory is also good. Pacific from DW also has an affordable top quality one. However if I ever bought one it would be pearl because they are my favourite ones and every drummer I know that has one says it's indestructible and can handle anything. I haven't heard any complaints about round bars either.

[dave303]

k, ill get a round rack then. prob gibraltar, but im not too fussed. just been taught imperium by machine head by my friend rob, its great to learn, mainly double pedal and tom bashing

[Sinnamon]

nice im downloadin it right now (never head it)...recently i've been playing lots of children of bodom i like the grooves and very very solid double bass.

[Sinnamon]

just bought a pair of new vic firth steve gadd signature sticks gonna try em out...they're really light
and cheap and they look like the ahead joeys from a distance lol...

[dave303]

i have the ahead joeys, and the ahead mudvaynes. need to do a lot of band practise cos we just got asked to play for no comply, who are a signed band in england, so itll be our biggestand best gig yet!

[Sinnamon]

awesome...i got a gig tonight and im gonna test out these sticks...my joeys are for metal...this is with a soft rock band so ill see how it goes...

[dave303]

th gig went ace. played a pearl masters series, with only one tom tho. was cool. how bout urs?

[Sinnamon]

mine went great except my second hi hat i jacked from my school fell over during a song. other than that fine...used my own kit. Thats cool about the pearl masters i was at the shop the other day and they had a brand new black pearl masters 5 piece with titanium looking lugs and matching hardware (it was awesome). I dont know what they're really called though but man i want one.

[Sinnamon]

drum mic placement...where d'you put yours?

[Damian]

Well, I didn't gig but I set up mics for recording yesterday.

7 Mics

1: Kick Drum. Front head off, with pillow barely touching beater side. Put the mic about 4 inches from the beater head.
2: Snare. Angeled it away from the highhat (avoid bleedthough) but still pointed at top. If straight down was 6 o'clock, probley had it between 7 and 8.
3-5: Toms. Two mounted, one floor. All about one inch from the rim centered and about same angel as snare.
6-7: Overheads. Put one centered above highhat and first crash. Basically the left side. The other is above 2nd crash, china and ride, but angeled a little more towards crash since ride rings pretty loud.

[Sinnamon]

nice, I do the same but leave the kick front head on and just stick it through the hole. I only own five mics so I usually borrow extras for precise sounds. Never tried taking the bass head off, any advantages?

[Damian]

Well, my drummer doesn't have a head with a hole in it, so my only option was to take it off. I know there are some benefits of having the hole as opposed to not, but as for recording, your mic is pointed at the beater side, so it doesn't really make a difference.

[dave303]

not really a difference. my gutarist bought me a holz, cos it was gettin annoying at gigs, so if ya gig a lot, u need one really. i put reverb an shit on my bass, for a unique metal punk sound, with other pa effetcs mixed in

[Damian]

I totally think you need the whole for any gig too. Recording, I didn't really put any effects on there. I did some slight eq on the kick and snare to make sure they shine through the mix. After the recording I did some compression, but that's a given. We recorded it in this tiny bedroom with kinda low ceilings. so we have a nice bright sound with very little reverb.

[Sinnamon]

thnx guys im gonna go experiment...

[Sinnamon]

Dave, I just played/tested my first set of the new tama superstars. Wow...at first glance i thought it was just a rockstar custom set but then i checked it out with a turqoise fade and it was neat. Sounds great and the new color choices are awesome.

[dave303]

nice to hear about the superstars. the colours rule, but no where near me sells em, so i cant test em yet.. but i dont know wether to pay a bit extra and get a starclassic performer, cos maples too damn expensive 4 me.

and yeah, dualist are hella cheating, but they sound hella cool, but im not payin that much for em, ill stick to traditional methods of double bass.

[Sinnamon]

I like the titanium fade for the superstars...its like a cheap version of joey's diamond fade.

[dave303]

i bought some remo emperor x's today. im playing with 1 tom for a bit. my kit looks cool now, 1 tom floor tom, snare an 7 cymbals. ill take a pic at next band prac, an post it

[Sinnamon]

I've seen the X's and they've got good ratings from MD. i switched to aquarian and man the studio X's kick ass. It must have something to do with the X. lol

[dave303]

x usually means good things. damn there overpriced at our loacal shop, but its only skins, so its only like £10($17?) for al skins i got ripped off, so i dont care. tama rockstars are on mega deals everywhere cos there getting killed off, so im pissed off cos i payed like £200 more 1 year ago

[Sinnamon]

yeesh i know the feeling. My stage custom standards have been stopped and now theres a new line with black lugs (nouveau) and new fade colours and now i can't upgrade my kit so next kit I get I'm gonna make sure its the best of something so that no matter what they come out with next...it'll still be awesome.

[Sinnamon]

sure...my only other kit right now consists of pots, pans, wooden spoons, an oil drum, and a trash can...

[dave303]

my last kit got sold for £80, or bout $150

[Sinnamon]

^what type was it?

[dave303]

lol, some hohner crappy drum kit, with un named cymbals, and a magiccrash??

[dave303]

my kit now, taken 5 mins ago

[Sinnamon]

nice...i like the domination of zildjian, except that pearl thingy is it a second hi hat or a spalsh?

[dave303]

possibly the worst splash of all time! i hate pearl cymbals, i bought it a year ago, cos it was on offer. zildjian rules, theres another 18 crash that never appeared on the foto

[Sinnamon]

I read somewhere that sabian makes pearl's cymbals with Bshit bronze...lol

[dave303]

lol. if that was true, sabian let themselves way down. i dont really like sabian either

[Sinnamon]

I respect them deep down especially cuz they're canadian but prefer zildjian.

[dave303]

its true, you can still play drums with a dinner plate a a cymbal if u want, its just since im in a band n stuff, it has to sound good. so it sux payin out money, but theres nothin else i have 2 spend it on;)

[Mr. Blonde]

what kit do you use? Pearl Forum
favourite drummer? Tie: Keith Moon, Ginger Fish, Mick Avory (The Kinks), Bun E. Carlos (Cheap Trick), Nate Eddy, and Khoi Li. You don't know those last two, but they taught me everything I need to know about drumset drumming and orchestral/marching drumming, respectively.
Favourite style? Nothing beats flailing my arms around like a madman a la Keith Moon.
favourite song for drumming? Just about anything that those above mentioned drummers play on. Zappa's pretty good to drum with, too. I couldn't possibly name any, though.
what are you learning now? Just mastered playing left-handed like Ginger. Apparently I'm ambidextrous.

Alex

[Mr. Blonde]

A girl drummer? Who likes reggae? Marry me.
Unless of course, Princess really means "Prince." Then all bets are off.
A proud girl drummer fetishist,
Alex

[Sinnamon]

lol...also I've tried mounting a scroll saw blade on my kit and it makes a nice zil bel sound effect

[Damian]

Question for you two. I'm just now getting into recording and all that jazz, and my drummer has a Pearl Export kit, but I've noticed the kick is getting less than desired sound out of it. Is there anything I can do to get a more "metal" genre sound out of it? Currently is getting more of a "thud" than a kick. It's almost as if there's just nothing pushing it.

[Sinnamon]

This is my favourite drum problem because I enjoy finding new bass drum sounds. First of all, my whole life I have played a 20" mahogany drum with full muffling, I used to have about 5 pillows in there and it was a soft thump but excellent for learning solid double bass drum because there was not too much bounce coming from the tight (aquarian super kicks kick ass) head. I could play very solid grooves at a medium fast speed for an unlimited amount of time. The only problem was that the sound i got would get drowned out because it was so muffled.

Then I took everything out, loosned the skin and tightened my iron cobra springs and put the beater right in the middle and left one pillow inside. got a danmar kick pad and holy shit. The boom was enormous and instead of a damp sound it was in your face. Because I had practiced for so long with solid tight no bounce, my speed was insane and effortless.

The expensive way to fix it might be to trigger it.

Anyways to make a long story short, I say tighten his springs, loosen the head (not too much) get an aquarian super kick and use minimal muffling.

Lemme know how this works and I see what else I can think of.

[Damian]

The drummer is quite skilled, so his abilites aren't something that I worry about. But I don't think he's ever really practiced good tunning methods on his kick/snare (his toms sound great tho). I just find the kick being lifeless, I want just something with a nice hard attack, ya know that click sound. But this is just more of a thud.

He's playing on a 20" kick I belive, double bass pedal, aquarian head on both sides (front has a 5" hole) and only one pillow inside. I'm getting the mic inside and I've tried lots of placement, but still not finding a desired tone. Are there any fundmentals for tunning a kick drum? Do you tune the two heads equally or what... I'm way over my head :P

But thanks for any input. It's great to know someone has some experience with it around here. I'm going to record again tonight, so we'll see how it all turns out.

[Damian]

Doing some research I think I'm going to force him to buy a Super Kick II Drumhead and maybe get some wood beaters for his pedal (I hear they make the click sound well). I just think it's possible his head has been beat to death :P

[Sinnamon]

possible...I've never tried the wood beaters, lemme know how they work. Also, the main advantage i find with the super kicks are that they have tone to them even when you just tap them and they're also a bit cheaper than remo. I used to play the powerstrokes and the difference is amazing. kick pads work well too. Another trick might be to place the mic near the batter side and you might pick up some click against the skin the downside is that if the pedal squeaks or anything like that, it might pick it up.

[Mr. Blonde]

There's a comforter blanket in mine. It makes a nice dull thump. Fairly all-purpose sounding.

[Sinnamon]

Naturally, I try to duplicate Joey's bass drum sound so the two times I've seen slipknot, I listen very closley when they do the soundcheck and without the mic they have alot of echo.

[dave303]

fiddling around with the PA....if ur bass is miked up..... cab get you all sorts of strange unique sounds. i like to have my bass drum loud, so i have it dampened a lot, so its natural sound is very low freq. and quiet, but the microphone is turned up loud, so my digital effects on my bass drum are loud.

[Sinnamon]

what type of drum mics do you guys use?

[Damian]

http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/27/277246.jpg

Not the greatest quality mics, but to get that many for the price, I just couldn't say no. I've gotten some good results with them, it just takes patience setting them up. Cause no mic is just going to make a shitty setup sound great.

I'm going to do a recording tonight using that mic set, putting four on the drums (kick, snare, 2 overheads) and then one on each guitar. And I'll post a result later so you guys get an idea. I'm sure the kit would sound a lot better when I use all 7 and take the time to eq/compress 'em.

[dave303]

shure

i never bought em, my guitarists dad did

[Sinnamon]

I use shure also, but i tried some guys audix ones and they were really good too.

[dave303]

never heard of audix?? but sound cool. what hardware yall use? tama roadpro. its bad-ass mapex forge xl pedal, cos i cant afford iron cobra yet

[Sinnamon]

Yamaha...stands, Iron cobras, tama throne, promark stick holder,
danmar kick pad, hopefully ill have yamaha rack system soon.

btw audix is what travis barker, zoro, mercedes from kittie and a few other big names use. not bad

[dave303]

i want a subwoofer mic on my bass, they look ace,

this thread has made 101 posts, ace!

[Sinnamon]

cheers dave, this is without a doubt the chillest thread on the board :p second to the member pic thread. I would take a yamaha sub bass too...they're sic.

[dave303]

those yamaha sub basses look bad ass, and sound bad ass. this thread has been ace

[Sinnamon]

What do you guys think of premier drums? Ill tell you what i think when i see what the general nod is...

[dave303]

ive played some good premier kits, and some bad ones. i dont think there the best looking kits, but they are pretty good sounding if you get a good one

[Sinnamon]

Originally posted by PRINCESSLOOSEY
haha you guys are like major gear heads

lol

[Sinnamon]

I like premier mainly cuz ginger does, I've played a cabria and and an artist series in my life and both were very nice. I love the hardware especially cuz when yamaha bought them they ripped the ball clamp off them. I'm not crazy about the pedals or the lugs but other than that I really respect them.

[dave303]

what about dw?? dw are really good, i have played a collectors edition , and it rocked.

[Sinnamon]

never played one, other than in the store...I hate the huge ass lugs...like the HW.

[dave303]

there pedals are ace, not as good as iron cobras tho

[Sinnamon]

^AGREED

[dave303]

get down to hull ijn england, my band victims of the cause r playin 2morro

[Sinnamon]

Punk drummers suck and PL, for you ill try and upload some shit...

[Sinnamon]

he lives by one rule: "Little people kill people."

[Sinnamon]

^ I didnt need to know that your highness :p

[dave303]

Punk drummers suck

lol, im in a punk band, yet im a metal drummer. in our songs it uses a lot of double pedals, wich aint usual in punk bands

[Sinnamon]

I like murderdolls style/wed 13 style punkish drumming and when I was younger I worshipped travis barker...*shoots self in head*

[dave303]

I worshipped travis barker lol!

the kit i played a last nites gig was a sliver pearl export, wasnt too bad. hm no more posts by loosey.....,..

[Sinnamon]

I'm gonna miss the wuhan shit and the cowbells.

[Sinnamon]

Anyone have comments on Pacific Drums...by DW??

[dave303]

i like most dw kits, not played a pacific tho, but it should ve good. u played one?

[Damian]

Pacifics are cheap. Kinda entry level, not really worth the cash. Invest a little more into a better brand (pearl, tama, oc)

[Sinnamon]

lol I would never waste $ on one, and I've never played one but...I've dented the skin on my buddies little 10"snare thingy they make...not bad punch from a little guy also their racks seem pretty solid and are priced pretty low...

[Sinnamon]

Next Topic of discussion David Silveria...comments please also see my feelings on him in the why does ppl hate korn thread.
http://www.mansonusa.com/council/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21373&perpage=15&pagenumber=3

[themanufear]

ahh might be a little behind but I just thought I'd check out this post and add my kit to the vast list that seems to be on.

I currently use:
Gretsch RM Custom 22'' Bass, 10'',12'',14'' toms and 14'' snare (I say custom because its an endorsement kit so custom made to my spec)
Sabian Cymbals: 15''AA Crash, 16'' AAx Crash, 20'' B8 Ride, 20'' AAX Ride, 14'' AAX Hi Hats
Premier Boom Stands
Tama Iron Cobra Hi Hat Stand
Tama Iron Cobra Double Bass Pedal
Protection Racket cases, if you cared

Currently my favourite drummer i Danny Carey from Tool, just brilliant.

[Sinnamon]

welcome to the drum thread the "ace" :p thread on the board. Nice to have a new drummer. Danny Carey is pretty damn good. Seems like you got a nice kit.

[dave303]

danny carye is such a good drummer, with a really strange style. and nice kit!

david silvera- he is a good srummer, he has some pretty interesting grooves. his sticks, the dsk's i have 2 pairs i like tose sticks. did u ever see korn, or any videos with mike bordin from faith no more, when he rajjed up his arm?

[Sinnamon]

i like mike bordin and I've seen the drumsticks but never played them.

[dave303]

mike bordins not ozzys drummer no more is he??

[Sinnamon]

I think he is but dunno...he jsut released a new signature snare with yamaha... I gotta check it out.

[dave303]

at our last gig we got paid with a crate of beer. at band practise we were drunk and i recorded my drums n my phone, inside a plastic bag to mute the sound, it was so shit, lol.u cant even make out the double pedal.

as for signiature snares- are you into those? i dont really care much for them, but the best i like is the tama lars ulrich. it looks ace, and sounds good

[Sinnamon]

Naw i'm not into them...i wouldn't mind having my own though...I like the look of lars' but i hate the sound. I like the sound of mike portnoy's, if i could have any compnay make me a signature one it would def be orange county.

[themanufear]

ahh thanks, yeah the kit I got is a complete monster, between bands at the moment, but I'll be heading off to University in Leeds in September, so hopefully I'll hook up with a new band then. I was in a band a few months ago, we were together for 2 years and played all over, so I miss gigging.

But yeah Danny Carey is a great drummer, I did a Tool song for my Grade 8 drums (those of you who are American won't know the grade system we have over here in the UK, its somewhat different I think), but yeah it was a hard song to play, it was only Schism so it wasn't as hard as some of the other tool songs, and Danny Carey pieces.

think I've blabbered enough now.

[Sinnamon]

schism is awesome...lol and you can never blab enough in the drum thread lol...

[Sinnamon]

next topic of discussion: Traditional grip...anyone use it?

[dave303]

yep, its best 4 me

[Sinnamon]

really that's interesting...i prefer to use matched but hey whatever works in the military i have to use traditional.

[themanufear]

I also prefer to use the Matched grip, but sometimes I switch between them, while playing, but only for something different.

[Sinnamon]

anyone like terry bozzio????

[dave303]

he is good, yeah! i prefer dennis chambers though. he is one of my fave players

[Sinnamon]

Dennis Chambers is cool...how bout steve gadd and dave weckl?

[dave303]

dave weckl, yeah. i have met gary husband, he was cool.

[Sinnamon]

cool...i dunno if i told you this but at www.yamahadrums.com theres a killer drum battle of Shannon Larkin and Sully Erna from the Godsmack DVD.

[dave303]

ill go check it out wen i get home

[Sinnamon]

played an Iron Cobra strap drive single for the first time tonight. Wow very very very very very smooth...I would love to put another one on a another bass drum and see how it is :p

[dave303]

is it better than the chain drive? thats all ive played

[Sinnamon]

I cant' say its better... (because I only had one :p) but I can say it was very smooth and a different feel and it felt nice and easy and quick response. Very nice feel.

[dave303]

i played the strap hi hat stand. pretty smooth. i have a tama hi hat stand anyway, but iron cobras are just the best

[Sinnamon]

never tried an IC hi hat. must make that a life goal :p

[themanufear]

I have a Iron Cobra Chaindrive Hi hat stand, and I've played on alot of stands, and this is bar far the best, was a little expensive though, but worth it.

[Sinnamon]

cool. I have a yamaha double chain one.

[Damian]

listen, it's my drummer
woot (home.comcast.net/~wishtheend/song_2.mp3)

[dave303]

thats pretty cool. i need to record me doin some stuff, ill try soon.

[Sinnamon]

^_^ :D very good.

[dave303]

i bust my finger on the snare rim today cos some douchbag at college cant set up a kit. anyone ever had any drum injuries?

[Damian]

Originally posted by dave303
i bust my finger on the snare rim today cos some douchbag at college cant set up a kit. anyone ever had any drum injuries?

I jammed up my finger once on a rim shot
and If a kit is set up to tight I sometimes jam up legs up on the snare. But anything else is probley just my stupity.

[Sinnamon]

done the same as you dave, finger rimmed...lol also had a china fall on my head, drumstick splinters, blisters, tendonitis, broken stick fly into face etc.etc.

[dave303]

oh yeah, i was loosening a stand when an 18 inch crash and stand fell on my head, that hurt

[themanufear]

I've took my whole knuckle off hitting the rim of the snare, hurt like a bastard and there was blood all over my kit.

[Sinnamon]

Originally posted by themanufear
I've took my whole knuckle off hitting the rim of the snare, hurt like a bastard and there was blood all over my kit.

ouch, I hate having to wipe blood off a white coated snare drum.

[dave303]

yeah, my guitarist cut his finger and poured the blood all over my hi hats and skins to make"the kit of doom". i never took it off, and if you look on pics, its there on em

[Sinnamon]

lol...do you guys use a certain product to clean your drums and cymbals?

[Damian]

To buy or not to buy?

http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/44/447878.jpg

[dave303]

id go for it. they are good kits, and its a sweet set up. the black hardware on it looks ace

[Damian]

Originally posted by dave303
id go for it. they are good kits, and its a sweet set up. the black hardware on it looks ace

My drummer has that same kit, just in the 5 piece, and it's great. But funny thing, I work at a music store and I can pick up that thing cheap. So I think he's looking to sell his old one and just pay the difference. He says playing double bass, it's far better to use two single pedals than a double.

[dave303]

yeah, 2 bass drums is much easier. i have a single bass, double pedal, but we have played lots of gigs recently with fucking ace metal band pitiful reign(check em out- pitifulreign.co.uk) were i used 2 bass drums. the layout was much easier, and i picked it ip straight away

[Sinnamon]

ya 2 singles kill a double and that kit is chill i'd def buy it.

[themanufear]

I personally wouldn't buy that kit. I've played on a few Pearl kits and hated every single one of them, I just don't like the sound, and the bass drum doesn't even compare to that monster that is my gretsch 22'' bass.

[Damian]

Originally posted by themanufear
I personally wouldn't buy that kit. I've played on a few Pearl kits and hated every single one of them, I just don't like the sound, and the bass drum doesn't even compare to that monster that is my gretsch 22'' bass.

Well, that's like saying don't buy an Epiphone cause it doesn't compare to a Gibson. For $800, that above kit is a nice deal. But than again, i've heard quite good things about Gretch.

[Sinnamon]

I played a 18" gretsch kit last night and the bass drum wouldn't stop sliding on me. It sounded good and I guess thats what counts.

[dave303]

but it really depends on the kits youve played on. i haver played on tons of shitty premier kits, really bad old ones, and new ones, but i still like premier kits, since i know thier high end kits are excellent, like gingers. and bands like pantera, and slipknot that play pearl, you cant honestly say thier kits sound bad? there are plenty of bad old and low end pearl kits though

[Sinnamon]

^ agreed...i'm going to see kenny aronoff next week !!! YAY he's doing a clinic.

[dave303]

last clinic i had was gary husband. there so fucking ace, drum clinics. kenny arnoff is cool, at ours i get to meet the drummers as well, since we know the people who arrrange it. i got a drum lesson with bobby arechiga, who is amazing. it was so fun

[Sinnamon]

Awesome I've seen Terry Bozzio and Mike Mangini...both ACE !

[dave303]

i just love drum clinics, though there are so many good underground drummers too. have you seen the new pearl stand with those strange top bits that you have to press in? there cool, but a bit of hastle

[Sinnamon]

nope but will check out...yesterday i checked out the new sabian vault series, not bad, but not the best.

[dave303]

i dont suppose you have heard a zildjian z 19inch projection crash in action? they seeem really good, from what ive heard, and i may get one, because i want dyno beat hi-hats, but cant afford them.

[Sinnamon]

I have an 18"...i only hit a 19" in the sotre and it was nice too but never "played" one. I personally recomment the Z mastersounds although the dyno beats are very nice and def go for the crash, Z crashes pierce everything and are built like rocks.

[dave303]

eventually, i want a full set of z's. cos im playing on zxts which i think are great, so z's are obviously way better. i have an 18" but its medium, but the projections are much heaveir. but yeah, ill go for the crash first

[Sinnamon]

ever played the sabian metal X series?

[dave303]

once, i thaught they were the best sabians ive played. i havent played lots of sabians though. have you ever played a big dog double bass pedal? my friend got one for his 18th birthday yesterday. there good

[Sinnamon]

never heard of it...interesting though...work well?

[dave303]

yeah, it looks cool, and is pretty smooth, no threat to iron cobras though. it may only be a uk make.... allthough it is pretty new on the market

[dave303]

meinl cymbals then! not heard much of them, not seen em around. the lamb of god drumming is great, his kit sounds nice, so id probably like them. your opinion?

[Sinnamon]

i like his bass drum skills..aquarian super kicks, iron cobras...can't go wrong...for me lamb of god caught my attention with their wall of death (see www.ozzfest.com) for a video of it. Mein cymbals are overpriced for what they are...Thomas Lang and Marco Minemann use them well. Never played them, only touched at store.

[Damian]

Chris is pretty wicked as a drummer. He does a lot of cool fills, and rolls. I forget the song but he's running some double bass and doing this cool pattern that goes: hightom-midtom-ride, but he hits the ride just like the toms and just goes back into the pattern again. When I saw him, he was actually playing on some Sabian cymbals.

[Sinnamon]

Any of you guys fans of Deicide? I find their drumming very sloppy but enjoy the music.

[dave303]

i havent heard much by them, so cant really comment

[Sinnamon]

meh...lars ulrich comments>?

[Sinnamon]

an while you're at it...add comments on the new tama easy to tune drums...i just dont know what they're called lol something japanese i think.

[dave303]

i dont know about these tama easy to tune drums- and i love tama? i like lars ulrich- allthough when i saw metallica playing last year with joey- fucking ace, alltough a little sketchy

[Sinnamon]

lucky you...i have the video of them with joey...but its not the same. DAMMIT!

[dave303]

he looked so small on lars' kit. but i like lars style. and i like his snare!

[Sinnamon]

check this out...this is my birthday present to myself.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v648/erik_t_30/252_jj1365_large.jpg

[dave303]

wow! thatsa sweet lookin snare- how long till your birtday?

[Sinnamon]

lol not till november but i'll be treating myself as soon as i get the $. *Must have that drum* *drools*

[dave303]

http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM01/Content/Tama/PR/Lars1-large.jpg

i just really like the sound and design of the lars ullrich snare. diamond plated and 3mm of slab steel!

[Sinnamon]

They are very nice, although I can stand the sound of it on St. anger! I played one at the store and it was very nice. only one prob though,,,,899$ :p

[dave303]

i know, so damn expensive! i also like mapex black panthers, they sound pretty sweet

[Sinnamon]

Beside the new joey one, i fI could have any snare on earth, I would like an orange county custom built vented one...I've only touched one in my life and it was in Montreal.

[dave303]

then you can be just like your hero, travis!! lol. they dont sell oc kits anywhere around here, ive not seen in real life

[Sinnamon]

Or not. lol Ugh Travis shouls die :p I could be just like Joey back in the Iowa days though!! I've never played an OC kit either, just touched a snare...some of their kits are reallly really really really really nice.

[dave303]

kool. liking the "shania twains drummer", lol, bet that was fun. my drummer friend rob was really pissed off that joey "sold out" to pearl. he has an orange county kit

[Sinnamon]

I know how he would feel. It's like playing some really ass expensive kit because your idol does or w/e and then your idol goes to the mass market. If I ever had the money at the time I prob would have played orange county mainly because Joey but now i'd get pearl...I tend to like what my idols play...ideally my dream kit these days would combine elements from all my fav drummers..

Joey= diamond burst fade, snare, sticks and set-up
Ginger= Z customs all around
JD Blair= Yamaha Maple Custom Absoulute, Aquarian Heads


so yah something like that :D

[dave303]

yeah, im getting z's cos of ginger. but i generally prefer tama, which im gettin it. my favourite tama drummers are christoph schneider(rammstein) john dolmayan(soad), dave grohl, and the fear factory drummer(shit- mind blank forgot name) and dave lombardo, to name a few

[Sinnamon]

raymond herrera i think... congrat to the drum threads 200th reply!

[dave303]

yes, raymond herrera, thanks! this is the most succesfull thread i have made, 200+! and my favourite! with boobs thread in close seconi want some gold rims, i know someone who can plate stuff in gold, i have some old hohner rims, i might get em gold plated!

[Sinnamon]

I went to the store and priced the joey drum and couldnt believe it!!!!!! 450$ canadian!!!! Gimme two months and i'll have it!

[dave303]

cool, thats a reasonable price! everythings more expensive over here, and shipping is loads

[Sinnamon]

the guy at the store said that because pearl is so mass marketed theses days thats why the price is low. do they ship from the states?

[dave303]

some places will. anyhey- good look for yo auditions- what they for?

[Sinnamon]

thanks! military band thingy. Gotta play timpani solo, 2 xylo studies, 2 rudimental snare pieces, 1 orchestral excerpt, and a classical snare piece, drumset beats, demonstrate various other skills, pass an interview and scales. FUCK i've been busy cramming all this in for the past week and still need to memorize!

[dave303]

well im sure youl do just fine!

[Sinnamon]

thanks! I got in! Im happy. I killed (in a good way) every piece!

[Legato]

This is off topic but, my band just found an amazing new drummer.
This guy can blast beat just like Nick Barker, he's fucking incredible.

[dave303]

well done sinn! thaught you would do well! and legato- you cant really be off topic in this thread, as long as it involves drumS. he must be damn good then, thats great to get such a good drummer. how longs he been playing?

[Legato]

Originally posted by dave303
how longs he been playing?

Several years I'm guessing, I didn't ask. I was just taken away by his ability to constantly blast beat for 15+ minutes.

[KrazzyJoe]

Our drummer is great but his drums sound like poop.

[dave303]

sounds like a pretty sweet catch. keep us updated about your band. most of your projects- movies and everything else are amazing- im sure your band will be good when it gets going.

[Sinnamon]

Wow legato...thats crazy, nick barker can sure blast too! look forward to hearin stuff in the future.

thanx dave.

[Legato]

Here are 2 midi tracks we're going to record. This is a preview of sorts, and would give you an idea on what we sound like.

http://www.archdandy.com/legato/songonefinal.mid

http://www.archdandy.com/legato/s2.mid

[dave303]

if those midis are anything to go by, ill love your band when the real versions are recorded!

[Sinnamon]

^likewise.

[Damian]

Originally posted by Legato
Several years I'm guessing, I didn't ask. I was just taken away by his ability to constantly blast beat for 15+ minutes.

Record him doing just that and you'll be signed for sure. I've played with alot of great drummers, and while my current drummer is the best I've played with, I totally understand how tasking a blast beat can be. He can only do it for maybe 8 measures.

[Sinnamon]

anything cof, dimmu borgir do. Will record myself later. off to school

[dave303]

IM SO FUCKIN PISSED. TAMA TOUR HITS MY CITY AUGUST FIRST, HEADLINED BY KENNY ARNOFF.MY FRIENDS BAND OWNS THE LOCAL MUSIC STORE, WERE HE IS COMING FIRST BEFORE THE SHOW. I AM ALLOWED TO MEET HIM BEFORE THE SHOW, BUT IM ON HOLIDAY. ill get his signiature, and im getting alan from big rock to get me some signed sticks, but its just not the same

[Sinnamon]

lol he was here a week ago but i missed the show...apprently it was amazing...lucky you you'll get his sig and stix but i know its not the same. I feel your pain.

[dave303]

yeah, whenever there is a drum clinic, i get to meet the people, but kenny would have probably been the coolest person to meet out of all that have played so far. oh well. i bought some zildjian dipped sticks today. there cool, nice and soft and purple. have you tried? i would reccomend them

[Sinnamon]

I've played the john tempestas on many occasions however i always end up with big blisters after using them. What about the anti-vibe ones? You tried them?... I have yet to.

[dave303]

dont sell them anywere near me. but they look good.

[Sinnamon]

How was download?

[dave303]

fuck. i posted in the download thread afterwards, we got the cheap tickets, and supposedly got the travel. what our friends never told us was the travel was uncomfirmed. waste of £40. no download. pissed off. oh well

[Sinnamon]

:( theres some good pics of joey at www.pulseofthemaggots.com only one prob is that they aren't very clear.

[dave303]

cool thanks. my friend who actuall went said slipknot were the best band, though that was a slightly biased view

[Rx]

slipknot were fucking amazing. joeys a legend.

[Sinnamon]

alot of people dont like slipknot but everyone knows damn well that they put on one hell of a show...I've seen em twice and i gotta say that both times were second to only the original showmaster (alice cooper).

[dave303]

i prefered manson and rammstein live to slipknot. i have seen all 3

[Sinnamon]

i'd love to see rammstein...was there fire and all?

[dave303]

oh yes. it was in birmingham in february, the reise reise tour. there was even fire behind christoph. great show. they even simulated cooking the keyboard player in a giant pot, and during stripped, olli(bass) crowdsurfed in a rubber dingy

[Sinnamon]

WOW. sounds like an amazing show...chances are they're probably banned everywhere here...

[dave303]

i like that about england. we dont censor as much as elsewhere. manson, rammstein etc are not banned over here anywhere i know of. so there always playing. unless its the aag tour, manson still hasnt returned yet!

[Sinnamon]

lol...manson isnt banned here but he has never come...

[dave303]

thats sucks. he has fans over there, he should at least play there. i just ordered an led drum key. i have so much led when i play. i have pics somewhere(im looking) of me playing with christmas tree lights on my kit, and police lights on my bass drums.

[Sinnamon]

nice...nice sig btw...I've played with a strobe light in my bass drum b4 and its cool.

[dave303]

thanks for the sig comment! yeah, i play with glowing necklaces-like pogo, and a strobe light in my bass drum. we allways try to put on an interesting and cool show for people, so they have a great time, like now we have started using bubble machines, which loks cool.

[Sinnamon]

I'm thinking of buying a fog machine they're on sale here for 100$, which is a good deal.

[dave303]

cool, i got one for £40- about $80, but i got it cheap

[themanufear]

right I just got in from watching Fantomas (one of Mike Pattons random band) dave lombardo from Slayer plays drums with him, but he wasn't on the UK tour, so I felt a little let down, then I heard Terry Bozzio was filling in for him, and fuck me he is amazing. He has the biggest drum kit I've ever seen, and he can do things thats just insane. If you ever get the chance to see him, do it, you won't be dissapointed, and sorry if this message is abit random, still all giddy about the gig.

[Sinnamon]

bozzio is a god.

[themanufear]

yes he sure is. Also he's doing a drum clinic over here in Doncaster in August, and I've managed to get free tickets, and I'm allowed to go in in the afternoon and watch him set up his kit, how amazing is that.

[dave303]

ooh was u at the sheffield gig for fantomas? i was gonna go, was it good?

[Sinnamon]

lombardo is another god.

[themanufear]

yeah I was at the Sheffield gig, my god you should have gone, it was amazing, never come out of a gig feeling like that, the best band I've ever seen, and yes I have seen Marilyn Manson, lol.

[Sinnamon]

i've never really checked them out although I love Slayer. I'll take your word and check em out within a week or two and I'll get back to you.

[themanufear]

ahh they are nothing like Slayer, lol, just Mike Patton's random noises, but well worth going to see live. The new album is good "Suspended Animation" try and get hold of a copy if you can.