And The Sky Bled Red

[profane]

New watercolor/gouache painting I just completed today. It was painted for a cover of a book Terroja is releasing in a short while which is called "And The Sky Bled Red" (a collection of prose, poetry, short stories), hence the title of this piece. He approached me and asked if I would be interested in completing a cover for him and he left my options very open, so I agreed to it.

I think the general themes to this piece are fairly obvious, but there is lots of hidden symbolism, so I push you all to look for it. I could go into my ideals and thoughts behind why I painted what I did in this, but I want to leave that up to some of you to interpret what you see, and then I'll give some of my own thoughts. Full view is an absolute must! Please click on the link above the thumbnail to view it in a full sized version (the file is large, so be patient). Enjoy! Comments are very appreciated!

FULL VERSION (http://daze.undertow.org/images/andtheskybledred.jpg)

http://daze.undertow.org/images/andtheskybledred_small.jpg

[Severed189]

thats one hell of a painting man.. good job

[Legato]

Indeed, Fantastic. My favorite peice from you.

[Mr.Insanity]

I think you boosted potential sales of this forthcoming book. I'm a sucker for impulse purchases and if I happened across a book with this cover, I would more than likely buy it. That is a magnificent piece right there. I especially love the mind's eye visual in relation to a book of prose, poetry and short stories.

Great work, indeed.

[profane]

Thank you so much to all three of you. I appreciate all your comments and taking the time to leave them. I'm hoping to boost the sales of the book, and I think you're right - This will do it :)

Thanks to all.

[MorbidTruth]

Amazing. I'd love to see more of your work!!

I especially like the moon in the background, I don't really know why though.

Again, very good. Keep up the good work!

[profane]

Thank you and click the links below my signature to view my other work! :)

[angelsephiroth]

My god.. that's incredible! Very, very well done! I think I will check out your other stuff.

[profane]

Thank you and I'd be very happy if you checked out my other work :)

[angelsephiroth]

I checked out your deviant page and I really, really, really, really like "Redeemer" and "Leader" Awesome stuff my man!

[profane]

Haha, thank you so much! I'm glad you enjoy it and I'd have to agree that it's one of my best. It really came out well, and it felt so good to finish it. I'm extremely excited to see it as the cover of the book and it's going to be a great way to get some exposure, and a nice resume item. Thanks for the support and yes, I do need some galleries! :)

[ihtia0]

profane, you are SO added to my deviantART watch thing.

[JRAWKER]

Your watercolor pieces have such a distinctive style.

Well done....VERY well done.

[profane]

ihtia0 - Hah, thank you :)

JRAWK - Thanks so much man. I really appreciate it. That's my goal, to have my own style, which can be deciphered from all. Glad you like it.

[TERROJA]

Thank you so much. We'll talk more in AIM.

[profane]

No problem, my man. I'd love to hear an analysis of this as well :)

[Komaschwarz]

Ok, as always, you make a painting, and you expect me to make an analysis of your painting, so here goes ;)

Unfortunately, we've already talked of some of this, but I'll repost it here anyways, for sake of getting it public.

The trees in the background, which seem to get farther and farther apart are growing on what appears to be infertile ground. Whether or not you intended it, the line "Should I keep watering a dead flower" comes to mind, considering I know of your appreciation of Doppelherz

These unopened, and even virginal flowers are none other than the flowers that take place in bloom on an apple tree, and considering we have Lucifer, represented by the serpent (circa Garden of Eden), we can draw the conclusion that this an illusion to the Apple of Sodom. Themeatically this is very apt, as the Apple of Sodom seemed to be present in all the civilizations (noteably Babylon), that God would unleash a rain of fire and brimstone upon, which would make the title of this piece fitting. Whether the sky is bled red with the blood of the sinners, or of holy flame, there is no denying its signifigance in the upper right quadrant of your painting, typically the location of choice that an artist will paint the supernatural, or a deity.

As for the man embracing the woman whose head is in flames, it reminds me of your painting 'Leader', as the flame seems to also double as gushing blood. Very intriguing indeed. Perhaps her punishment was directed by God for eating of the forbidden fruit? This is only a theory, but one you certainly hold the key to.

One last notable mention about the tree is that in the forefront of the three, one of the fruits (or blossoms depending on the interpretation), spouts horns, much like Mercury, the androgenous messenger.

If there is anything that I've picked up in art appreciation, it is that a focal point is subconsciously made whenever an artist makes a piece of the painting in an opposing colour or contrast to the rest of the piece. In your case, the moon serves this purpose, as it gleams a bright blue and white. What's interesting here is that it seems to have four rings around that moon: We have the dark blue primary shadow, followed by a lighter blue, followed by a very indisdinct blue, followed by a light green. As the only green in this piece comes from certain sections of the sky, and the creature's third eye, I believe there to be a direct corelation. Often the moon is used to connote spiritual or religious wisdom, and this third eye that the creature has seems to me to be connected to chakra, or the 'minds eye'

The only part of the piece I'm not willing to make a guess at (as of yet), is the tentacles, but once I've formulated my opinion, I'll let you know what I think.

I'd like to thank you for making such a commendable piece, and you've really managed to outshine yourself.

Congrats.

[Sinnamon]

i like your use of color....awesome keep up the good work

[Nymphetamine]

Manson should be jealous =D hehe.. I really like it :)

[dawn]

i love the colors, great work

[TERROJA]

Originally posted by Filicide
TJ, are you planning to get this book of yours printed professionally? I'd buy a copy.

I really wasn't planning to because

a.) I'm broke.

and

b.) I didn't think anyone would front the extra cash I'd have to charge if I had it done proffesionally.

HOWEVER, after seeing this cover, I've become absolutely convinced that I have to scrape some cashg together and bite the bullet and just hope that I can get enough people to buy them that I break even.

Profane, of course my analysis is forthcoming.

[Komaschwarz]

Jebus, the tentacles are snakes. Muchas clearer now :)

[profane]

Seductress: Thank you very much, dear! I am an artist, and you are an artist. We are both true artists, and I appreciate your kind comments. Glad you enjoy the piece!

Koma: A great and very thorough analysis of the imagery and color themes I used in the piece. You'd hit on a lot of things that I intentionally utilized and placed, and for that, I commend you. There is more hidden symbolism, so continue to look. Thank you so much for taking the time to write up such a great review. I appreciate it very much, Brad. Take care, my good friend.

Sinnamon666: Thank you very much. The colors are mind-blowing aren't they? :)

Nymphetamine: Thank you for the kind comment! Haha, I would only hope that Manson at least views this at one time or another, knowing that he views the site occasionally. I'd love to hear his thoughts on this! Thanks again.

Dawn: Thanks a bunch!

Alex: I know you're not much of an interpretations type of guy, but you know design and colors very well. I appreciate your very kind assessment of this piece. Watercolor is a very difficult medium, but I am slowly beginning to master it. Thanks again for all your support and friendship :)

TJ: If you got this book done remotely professionally done, I think you could at least break even. I think this cover would really make a lot of people want the book -- You know how good covers have that effect on people :) I'm so glad you enjoy this piece as much as you do and I appreciate all your kind support and I look very forward to your analysis, I know it will be great. Take care.

In the spirit of love and art, thank you all.

[Hellonheels]

Zac..... This is beautiful. I know I've been all antsy to see it, but it was well worth the wait. It's fantastic. The bright colour of the sky and background, against (or versus?) the greys and purples of the person in the foreground is... compelling, to say the least. Those snakes/tentacles seem to be almost trying to protect the person from the bleeding sky - which seems contradictory to the commonly accepted purpose of a serpant in art. But I could be wrong.
This is some of your best work, babe. It's gorgeous, and I'd have to say it's bumped "Martyr" to second place.
Kisses and kudos,
N

[MissFoggie]

OMFG ... Zac this is a fucking masterpiece. *smiles* it takes my breath away. just gazing at it (and i have for an hour) makes my heart race with excitement. i fucking LOVE it!

does the alien looking creature with the 3rd eye represent god? the way the hands embrace the face with a turned down mouth and 1 eye open the other shut means something? what ... disappointment, distain, failure? please do tell?

looking just about the crescent moon and taking your eye to the far right into the red i see a face. is that intentional or my mind? what does a crescent moon represent?

Koma thank you for writing your interpretation. *smiles* as always i enjoyed reading it. i'm horrible at interpreting anything and am simply a lover of ART. the bible and religion are totally foreign to me and that's why i'll always miss the symbolism.

Originally posted by profane
TJ: If you got this book done remotely professionally done, I think you could at least break even. I think this cover would really make a lot of people want the book -- You know how good covers have that effect on people :) I'm so glad you enjoy this piece as much as you do and I appreciate all your kind support and I look very forward to your analysis, I know it will be great. Take care.

TJ ... i hope you can get your book printed professionally. i agree with profane about a cover effecting people. i've bought books for the cover and have never read. i like many am a visual being.

[Ctrl+Fuck]

I've always wanted to tell you that you're much better than Manson and that's too bad you're a loser :]

[TERROJA]

Originally posted by MissFoggie

i've bought books for the cover and have never read.

*sigh*

[TERROJA]

First of all, I love how the grounded blood falls up and the sky blood falls down. It's almost as if it's all being drawn to a centerpoint.

The composition is great too. When I saw it I was so happy that I was nearly moved to tears. My mom really liked it too.

I love the point where the head of the character in the foreground blends seamlessly into the sky of the background without looking "cheated." I also like the way some of the sky blood overlaps the snake to the far right. For the depth to look so perfect and yet be entirely implausible is amazing. Totally Dali, dog. \m/

Now, let's talk numbers. 3 trees, 3 eyes, 3 figures,3 snakes, recurring "suggested" triangles:

http://www.terroja.com/andtheskybledredtri.jpg

There's a lot of 3's in the piece. It's not surprising, given that 3 is a Holy number and symbolizees creativity.

Now, I wanted to ask you, are those unbloomed roses on those trees, or are they fruits. Also, are their 28 or 29 of them. It's hard to tell.

The Eye of Providence (AKA The All-Seeing Eye, The Eye of Osiris, The Eye of Horus, etc.) is an interesting inclusion. It suggests that the emaciated lead figure is indicative of an omnipotent nature. He is touched by the gift of God's sight. I can't help but notice that his own left eye (right eye to him) is closed. I don't know if this is symbolic all on its own, or just when viewed alongside the open eye of "God". I interpret it as meaning that, to gain divine insight it is necessary to sacrifice part of our own identity.

The moon in the sky could mean about a million different things, but seeing as we you've already included one ilumanati symbol, I'll go with the illumanation (read: knowledge) definition.

Another question, is that figure holding that woman holding a gun? Did he shoot her? Very interesting, if so.

. . . more to follow based on your reply.

[profane]

Nicole: Thank you so much. Yes, you've been antsy to see it and now you got to feast your eyes on this madness! I like to compliment colors, which gives you that all-around-crazy feel. That's an interesting take on the snakes/serpents "protecting" the figure in the front. I like that view a lot, and if you think about it, it's very fitting for this piece. It's now in front of Martyr... Great! :) Thank you so much for the kind comments and support, dear. It's much appreciated, and you know that.

MissFoggie: A masterpiece?! Awesome. I'm very glad that you've taken as much time to gaze at it as you have. If I created a piece of art that a person just looks at for a few seconds, I would be greatly upset. As far as what certain things mean, I don't want to give things away to you. Much like Manson, I want to give you pieces of knowledge and let you find the meaning and interpret it to what it means to you. I will say that this piece has a lot of occult/religious/alchemic/astrology influences in it. As far as the third eye -- Why don't you do some research on it? Your answer lies therein. The face you see in the red was actually not intentional, but my subconcious has that effect quite normally. The cresent moon -- I don't want to say WHAT it means, but there are many different ways one could take it. Think about it and have your own take on it. :) Thank you!

Ctrl+Fuck: Haha! I'm a loser baby, so why don't you kill me?! Thanks a lot for the half-compliment, Miss Fuck. :)

TJ: I'm glad that you took notice to my play on the falling of the blood from the sky and the 'drawing' of the blood into the sky, which creates like you said, a strong focal area and 'neutral area'. I take pride in my compositions, and I'm very glad you felt so strongly about this piece, I was hoping you would. As you can see, it changed a lot from what I originally had in mind for it. As far as the foreground figure's head blending into the background, I enjoy doing this type of thing. By strongly defining the rest of his body, and fading part of his head into another area, creates a great sense of depth and surrealistic approach. Very Dali, that's a great compliment right there :) I love when you decipher and pick apart my composition and the elements I've used. You have a great eye for that, and a lot of times, you pick out things I did I didn't even realize. You're right on with my usage of 3 in this piece, and I'm very glad you've picked up on it. Aside from the symbolism and meaning of 3, the triangle as you know, is one of the strongest structures ever. As for the trees, they are meant to be fruit -- But they can be taken otherwise. There are 28 of them. I'm glad you've picked apart my inclusion of the Third Eye/Eye of Horus, and as for what it means to me -- There is too many reasons and explainations to say here. Great interpretation of the closed eye as well, you're touching upon a lot of good ground :) The moon was placed there for like you said, many differnet reasons. Take what you can from it and apply it... As for the figure holding the other... I did not intentionally make him holding a gun, but it does look like that, and it does make a lot of sense. Subconcious again? Her head is definitely bleeding, but like that of fire. Thank you for that analysis, I truly appreciate it. I'm glad you love this piece as much as you do :)

[Lecter [-!-]]

Very good,very good indeed.

I can see allot of elements you included in your painting, the one most obvius to me is the Ancient Egyptian eye (of Horus).
It is also the all seeing eye.

However i would rather comment on your painting talent.
It's wonderful.
The blending of the head with the sky and your use of the colors is just amazing.

Like i said good work.

If i were TJ i'd feel real lucky having that as a cover.

PS: Very clever with the bleeding sky bit. It suits the title.

[profane]

Thank you very much Lecter. Everything you said is much appreciated :)

[SicFuc]

This is by far my favorite painting of yours. My analysis would pale in comparison to TJ's so I'll spare it. I would pay for the original of this.

[profane]

Thanks a lot man! I'm glad you enjoy this piece as much as you do. I'm all ears for your analysis, but that is completely up to you. As long as you get something out of this piece, I'm happy.

As far as purchasing the original... I'm not selling it just yet, but in time, maybe. I'm not sure price-wise anyway :)

Thanks again.

[TERROJA]

I figured there were 28. It makes a lot more sense from a numerological persepective.

2+8=10
1+0=1

1=Alpha, The beginning. This connects this piece to the garden of Eden in yet another way (snakes, fruit-bearing trees). Also, it connects the significance of the triangle to "the beginning". You and I already discussed the relevance of the letter A as either the derivative of or the basis for (it's not really known which) the unfinished pyramid and the all-seeing eye which completes it. I mention this because, in magick, as you well know, 1 and A are inseparable sames.

This also references, on many levels, the holy trinity: the father, the son and the holy ghost. This ties in perfectly to the Eden theme and your use of the Eye of Providence.

Here's an interesting thing about the title (which I came up with, for those of you who don't know).

AND THE SKY BLED RED

5 words. 5 syllables. E is the 5th letter of the alphabet . . . it appears here 3 times.

It's a weak link, yes, but an interesting one, I think.

[profane]

Wow, very nice TJ. Very interesting deciphering of the numerology present in this piece. I love it.

Very nice outlook on the signifigance of the 1/A and its tie into the Garden of Eden, which is very present in this piece and magick as a whole.

Not only with the serpents, was I making a biblical reference, but also a donation to Mercury, which is said to be represented in many cases by snakes and serpents alike. Not only that, but there is a hidden 'head' of the mercury symbol that I'm sure you've seen already.

As far as the title goes -- The 3 E's... Wow, didn't even realize it, but a nice connection as well! Funny how these things work out, huh?

[Hellonheels]

Originally posted by profane
Nicole: Thank you so much. Yes, you've been antsy to see it and now you got to feast your eyes on this madness! I like to compliment colors, which gives you that all-around-crazy feel. That's an interesting take on the snakes/serpents "protecting" the figure in the front. I like that view a lot, and if you think about it, it's very fitting for this piece. It's now in front of Martyr... Great! :) Thank you so much for the kind comments and support, dear. It's much appreciated, and you know that.


Yes, I know that - and again, you're quite welcome, babe. It's a beautiful painting, your use of colour is amazing, and the number of themes and meanings hidden in the piece keep me coming back to it to find things I missed. Like the "head" of Mercury you mentioned to TJ - I found that right before I scrolled down and read that you'd pointed it out to him. It made me smile to see that you'd snuck it in there, and I hadn't noticed it before now. :)
Keep up the fabulous work, Zac - I'm always eager to see the next one.
N

[profane]

I'm glad my little hint at Mercury allowed you to see it :) I can't say thank you enough.. I greatly appreciate all your support! There will be many more to come, I'm just getting started. Take care...

[BugattiV8]

crazy stuff man. i must say ive like all the paintings ive seen that youve done so fair. even the one you said you did in 2 days.
you have talent man.

[profane]

Thank you very much. Very appreciated! :)

[Hellonheels]

Originally posted by profane
I'm glad my little hint at Mercury allowed you to see it :) I can't say thank you enough.. I greatly appreciate all your support! There will be many more to come, I'm just getting started. Take care...
Hey, give me some credit, baby - I saw it BEFORE the hint. I win!
N

[profane]

Oh, I'm sorry - I read your post wrong :)

I apologize for overlooking your eye and your intelligence, dear. You do win... I lose.

I'm a loser baby, so why don't you kill me?

:P

[Hellonheels]

So you concede defeat. *Muah hah hah hah hah*
You're not a loser, I'm just that insightful (LOL) - so since you didn't lose, I guess you don't have to die. I'd miss you if you were gone, anyways, so this arrangement works out for both of us. I'll just accept your apology, forgive you, and the matter will be settled. Fair?
N

[profane]

Hah, yes - Fair enough for me... I don't wanna die! :)

Damn right I'd be missed if I was gone. I'm one Fonzi-like motherfucker! Haha, I'm an idiot. ;)

[profane]

Thank you very much, good sir.

[j_absinthe]

Simply stunning. *stops eyeing Zac's cock*

The painting is nice too.

This is what you do, and you do it beyond well. Fuck the politics, of this world, keep showing us the politics of your world.

Brava.

[profane]

LOL! You crazy bastard, you! Thank you very much my good friend. I'm glad you enjoy the piece and you're right - The politics of MY world are better off -- With Leader, I really had no choice though.

Even though, thank you for the kind remarks, Jack. I hope you enjoyed the symbolism as well :)

[profane]

Well thank you, Traci. :)

[URAllSuffering]

fucking beautiful id pay money for a print or something

[TERROJA]

Does anyone else see the Fetus in this?

[profane]

UrAllSuffering: Thanks a lot man - I'll be making prints of this very soon - As soon as I'm done with a more important issue. I'll make a post.

TJ: A fetus, eh?

[MissFoggie]

Originally posted by profane
As far as what certain things mean, I don't want to give things away to you. Much like Manson, I want to give you pieces of knowledge and let you find the meaning and interpret it to what it means to you. I will say that this piece has a lot of occult/religious/alchemic/astrology influences in it.

Zac ... damn you and Chagall! lol if you are trying to drive me crazy you have. *giggles* my interpretation will be just that and far from its true meaning. not sure if i'm capable but find it a challenge. too much of one if you ask me.

thanks for the hint and i did do some research.

Originally posted by profane
As far as the third eye -- Why don't you do some research on it? Your answer lies therein. :)

ok the 3rd eye represents consciousness, enlightenment and intuition. a connection between the physical and spiritual world.

shit mine is not working. i quit TM long ago and have lost touch with my subconscious mind (3rd eye). meditating is fruitless to a pot smoker. lol sad but true. i believe my pineal gland has dissolved. so why am i so attracted to this painting? why do i love it? i haven't a clue. is my visual love a subconscious one too? what does "and the sky bled red" mean to me? it has no meaning but is going to with more clues from the rest of you. i've got to unlock my mind. like hieroglyphics i'm simply fascinated and interested.

Originally posted by profane
The cresent moon -- I don't want to say WHAT it means, but there are many different ways one could take it. Think about it and have your own take on it.

about the crescent moon ... in my research discovered in the religion of Islam the crescent moon represents Allah. a deity. Allah is really the Moon God. a pagan deity if you look at the science. Mecca was built as a shrine for the Moon God. interesting!

Wicca say it represents a Goddess.

in my mind it is simply beautiful and appears just before the new and old moon. i'm a moon lover. *smiles*

my guess with respect to your painting represents a deity?

TJ ... love reading your posts. they very helpful and point out some interesting things i didn't notice. why does this painting appeal to my unconscious mind? maybe >>>

my lucky number is 3 and any number that can be divided by it. i had no idea it was a holy one. 28 is also a very lucky number of mine. shittt ... most numbers are. *giggles* triangles have always been my favorite shape. didn't realize until today they are the strongest structure. interesting!

ohhh ... snakes are in that medical symbol. i'm still clueless.

[Komaschwarz]

ohhh ... snakes are in that medical symbol. i'm still clueless. [/B]

The snake probably (at least on one level) refers back to biblical allusions. In the story of Adam and Eve, it is Satan who takes the guise of a snake :)

[TERROJA]

Originally posted by Komaschwarz
The snake probably (at least on one level) refers back to biblical allusions. In the story of Adam and Eve, it is Satan who takes the guise of a snake :)

That is the most obvious reference, yes, but I'm sure you know that the rabbit hole goes a lot deeper than that. Snakes also tie in deeply with the eye of Horus, which is another feature of this painting.

[TERROJA]

Originally posted by profane


TJ: A fetus, eh?

Shall I show it to you?

[TERROJA]

Originally posted by MissFoggie
[B
TJ ... love reading your posts. they very helpful and point out some interesting things i didn't notice. why does this painting appeal to my unconscious mind? maybe >>>

my lucky number is 3 and any number that can be divided by it. i had no idea it was a holy one. 28 is also a very lucky number of mine. shittt ... most numbers are. *giggles* triangles have always been my favorite shape. didn't realize until today they are the strongest structure. interesting!

ohhh ... snakes are in that medical symbol. i'm still clueless. [/B]

Well, if you're really fascinated by it I could give you more information on both snakes and triangles as symbols and how deeply interconnected they are.

Also, while triangles are structurally powerful, I believe domes and cylinders are stronger. That I'm not sure on. I'll check on it for you.

[MissFoggie]

Originally posted by TERROJA
Well, if you're really fascinated by it I could give you more information on both snakes and triangles as symbols and how deeply interconnected they are.

oh please do. *smiles*

[profane]

MissFoggie: I'm glad that my painting has pushed you to research certain topics - That's a great thing. Also, meditation isn't fruitless to a pot smoker - I smoke almost daily :) I'm glad you got so much out of the piece, that makes me happy. Like you stated, the medical staff has serpents -- That is a derivative of the Serpent Staff of Hermes (Mercury). There's some more brainfood for you.

As TJ stated, the rabbit hole goes very deep, as we all know.

Koma: Yes, that was definitely a reference...

TJ: Yes, please show me the fetus :) Also, domes are also very strong structures, but I don't believe they are stronger and more stable than triangles. I'm not sure either.

[MissFoggie]

Originally posted by profane
MissFoggie: I'm glad that my painting has pushed you to research certain topics - That's a great thing. Also, meditation isn't fruitless to a pot smoker - I smoke almost daily :) I'm glad you got so much out of the piece, that makes me happy. Like you stated, the medical staff has serpents -- That is a derivative of the Serpent Staff of Hermes (Mercury). There's some more brainfood for you.

As TJ stated, the rabbit hole goes very deep, as we all know.

TJ: Yes, please show me the fetus :) Also, domes are also very strong structures, but I don't believe they are stronger and more stable than triangles. I'm not sure either.

i agree knowledge is a great thing but i'm neglecting things. (bangs head against the wall)

Zac before starting TM my instructor advised me to get off pot 6 weeks before lessons. i did as she said and proceeded. after lessons and 4 months of meditating twice a day transcending into a world that was beyond anything i'd ever experienced. a good place. it was very powerful and visual too. my instructor said she and others could levitate. told her they should go on TV. lol and that i could too on LSD. true. *giggles* i wasn't allowed to enter the advanced group to observe them levitating and never had any intention of becoming a member of a cult. 4 months was enough without pot and i noticed a great difference in my ability to transcend while meditating. a year later stopped altogether.

ok back to the topic ... now i'm hung up on Hermes. lol

"Hermes was the Master of all arts and sciences, perfect in all crafts, Ruler of the Three Worlds, Scribe of the Gods, and Keeper of the Books of Life, Thoth Hermes Trismegistus - the Three Times, the "First Intelligencer" - was regarded by the ancient Egyptians as the embodiment of the Universal Mind. While in all probability there actually existed a great sage and educator by the name of Hermes, it is impossible to extricate the historical man from the mass of legendary accounts which attempt to identify him with the Cosmic Principle of Thought."

ohhh ... makes sense triangles would be strongest. gravity!

TJ what do you write about in short ... the cosmic principle of thought?

EDIT: Zac can't find a Martyr thread. if there is one could you bump it or start one?

http://tn7.deviantart.com/300W/i/2003/4/2/4/Martyr.jpg

[profane]

Interesting, MissFoggie... At least you have meditated before and transcended in the 'other world' - It's a great thing.

I'm glad the Hermes hint gave you some interesting things to look up. Quite fascinating, I'm sure you're aware of :)

As far as Martyr goes - That painting was done a long time ago, so I'm sure the thread has long been gone. I suppose I could start a new one, but I'm not sure. Either way, I'm glad you love that piece, it's one of my favorites as well. Take care.

[Hellonheels]

Martyr, after this one, is my favourite painting of Profane's, Miss Foggie. So if you do decide to start a new thread on it, Zac, I'll be all for it. That one got posted long before I joined the Phant.
N

[profane]

Why thank you Hellonheels - I think I may just start another thread on it, since a few of you might enjoy that. Regardless, thanks for the support :)

[Hellonheels]

Anytime, baby.
N

[profane]

Originally posted by Hellonheels
Anytime, baby.
N

Ahh, how nice :)

[MissFoggie]

Originally posted by profane
Interesting, MissFoggie... At least you have meditated before and transcended in the 'other world' - It's a great thing.

I'm glad the Hermes hint gave you some interesting things to look up. Quite fascinating, I'm sure you're aware of :)

As far as Martyr goes - That painting was done a long time ago, so I'm sure the thread has long been gone. I suppose I could start a new one, but I'm not sure. Either way, I'm glad you love that piece, it's one of my favorites as well. Take care.
started TM again monday. it's not easy trying to quite this brain. hope to get back to that place i once visited but my hopes may not be realize. i'm still smoking. lol

sad the Martyr thread is long gone. see Hell wants it back too. that's 2 of us. *smiles*

concerning ""The Sky Bled Red" ... how many symbols are in this piece?

[profane]

I think I may repost Martyr since you two seem to want it back.

As far the symbols go -- It's not necessarily how many 'symbols', it's more like my use of certain objects to convey certain symbolism. There is a lot of it, but like I've been saying, I'd rather not get into all the details. I can't be doing all the work. :)

Btw, I got your PM - I'll respond very soon.

Thanks.

[MissFoggie]

Originally posted by profane
I think I may repost Martyr since you two seem to want it back.

Thanks Zac! i'm looking forward to reading everyones interpretations.

Originally posted by profane
I can't be doing all the work. :)
what a shame. lol

my interpretation is simply "messenger".

Originally posted by profane
Btw, I got your PM - I'll respond very soon.
kool!

[profane]

"Messenger" would be a valid interpretation. :)

Give me a day or two, I'll post the Martyr thread then. Sound good?

Thanks again, Kay.

[TERROJA]

The pyramid which contains the all seeing eye is obviously of Egyptian origin. The reason for the triangular shape, according to some scholars--mostly the ones labelled "insane" by idiots who refuse to listen to reason--is to exhonerate the star Sirius, also called The Dog Star.

In Egypt, temples were built to the star, which they called Isis. It's symbol in ancient Egyptian heiroglyphics as a triangle, followed by a star with a disc hovering over it, followed by a snake.

It is rather strange that the Egyptians would use a triangle to symbolize a star, don't you think? Actually, it's not bizarre at all once one realizes that Sirius is actually orbitted by two smaller stars called Sirius B and Sirius C.

How could a supposedly primitve culture possess such knowledge you might ask. Well, I encourage you to seek out that answer for yourself.

Let's recap:

The Egyptians worshiped Isis (Sirius)
The built pyramids and temples to honor it
Their word for Isis contained both a triangle and a snake
The pyramid the contains the all seeing eye was adapted from architecture.

So was the eye, in all likelihood. The eye of Osiris was a common egyptian symbol. If I'm not mistaken, his left eye symbolized the sun and his right eye symbolized the moon (it might be the other way around, I'll check on it for you). The point was, of course, that he was always watching and that he saw all things night or day.

The last thing I'd like to talk about, though no where near the last thing too tyalk about, is a biblical passage dealing with Moses' track through the desert after escaping--where else?--Egypt.

21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.

21:7 Therefore the people came to Moses, and said, We have sinned, for we have spoken against the LORD, and against thee; pray unto the LORD, that he take away the serpents from us. And Moses prayed for the people.

21:8 And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.

21:9 And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.

Take not that in these passages, serpents are symbols of both life and death. This gives you an idea of just how powerful an icon they were to ancient minds.

Here is a depiction of the brazen serpent:

http://www.wholeperson-counseling.org/jpg/antidote3.jpgf

It's not my favorite depiction, but it serves my purpose here.

There is so much more to learn about these things, and all of it is extremely interesting. I seriously suggest that you do some research into the matter if it fascinates you. The rabbit hole is as endless as I say.

[profane]

Excellent post TJ. And yes, it is quite deep. :)

[MissFoggie]

TJ enjoyed your post. thanks! thought you might enjoy the following ... i found it interesting. oh all i see is a red X.

the eye of Horus >>>

http://towerwebproductions.com/alt-lib/myth/horus/goldeye.jpg

"Horus, the son of Osiris and Isis, was called "Horus who rules with two eyes." His right eye was white and represented the sun; his left eye was black and represented the moon. According to myth Horus lost his left eye to his evil brother, Seth, whom he fought to avenge Seth's murder of Osiris. Seth tore out the eye but lost the fight. The eye was reassembled by magic by Thoth, the god of writing, the moon, and magic. Horus presented his eye to Osiris, who experienced rebirth in the underworld."

read the other day anything enclosed is a circle is protected. makes sense and never thought about it.

i loved this link:
Sacred Geometry (http://www.crystalinks.com/sg.html)

read about the Golden Ratio and Zero Point (Circle - Completion of a Cycle when both aspects of your soul merge then blink out.
Zero Point Merge is the coming together of matter and antimatter aspects of your soul.) fascinating!

[profane]

Now you're getting somewhere. The Phi ratio - The Golden Section. I like to use this in my compositions quite a lot. It is extremely complex and is the basis of all life.

I don't even comprehend most of it, it's THAT complex.

[Hellonheels]

Egyptian philosophy is so complicated and wonderful. I've got a small collection of books on the subject, it's comfortably mind-boggling.

Yay for a new Martyr thread!
N

[profane]

Oh yes, Egypt has always fascinated me, even from a young age. It's just amazing. And yes, the Martyr thread will be posted soon.. probably tomorrow. :)

[sixpastsix]

FUCKING AMAZINg............i want those tarot prints LOL

[profane]

Thanks man!

Yes, you shall have your tarot prints very soon! I just got done doing all my printing for my exhibition, so now I just need to purchase boxes to send these bitches out in. Never the less, it will be very soon :)

[Nicolae]

I'm glad I didn't follow through with doing the photography for this project. My work would have paled in light of the cover.

[profane]

Well, I'll take that as a compliment, even though I would like to see some photography from you in the project. Oh well, suit yourself :)

Thanks anyway.

[Nicolae]

Of course that's a compliment! : P

I already told TJ to look for someone else. I just finished moving into a new place and the photo bug hasn't quite hit me yet.

Thanks though!

[MissFoggie]

Hellonheel and Profane ... Egpytian's have fascinated me since childhood. i'd love to spend time in Egypt, Iran and Iraq. all that beautiful ART!

Originally posted by profane
Yes, you shall have your tarot prints very soon! I just got done doing all my printing for my exhibition, so now I just need to purchase boxes to send these bitches out in. Never the less, it will be very soon :)

an exhibition?! tell us?

[Hellonheels]

Originally posted by MissFoggie
Hellonheel and Profane ... Egpytian's have fascinated me since childhood. i'd love to spend time in Egypt, Iran and Iraq. all that beautiful ART!



In 12th grade, I was supposed to go on a trip with my history class to Egypt, but because of all the paranoia 9/11 caused with airports and inter-continental travel, it was cancelled. I was so fucking pissed, I swear, I would've found Bin Laden myself, just to kick him in the shin.
N

PS: Zac, got a date on that exhibition yet? I need to know when to plan my trip for.

[MissFoggie]

Originally posted by Hellonheels
In 12th grade, I was supposed to go on a trip with my history class to Egypt, but because of all the paranoia 9/11 caused with airports and inter-continental travel, it was cancelled. I was so fucking pissed, I swear, I would've found Bin Laden myself, just to kick him in the shin.
N

that really sucks! i'm sorry.

this war is fuckin' everything up. especially vacations. wish we could live in PEACE for sake of ART. that part of the world is going to be dangerous for many year to come and we'll never see it. shit!

[profane]

I've always wanted to visit Egypt and just become completely engulfed in the fascination of it all. The civilization itself was really something to look up to. I still wish to visit there someday.

Through my connections, I'm getting my work submitting to a panel in Toronto that would review my pieces for submission in their museums. I'll let you all know more when I get some info.

Thanks.

[MissFoggie]

^ looking forward to it Zac.

oh break a leg! lol

[profane]

Haha, thank you Kay :)

[Hellonheels]

They're stupid if they don't accept you. I'll go over there and tell them so. Lol!
N

[Komaschwarz]

Originally posted by Hellonheels
They're stupid if they don't accept you. I'll go over there and tell them so. Lol!
N

I'd come too. Unfortunately, most art panels in Toronto are exceptionally backlogged by submission hopefuls several months, however (and this is just my experience), the most promosing do eventually get in.

And Hellonheels, if Profane didn't get in, I'd come and bitch with you :P

[Hellonheels]

I'd say my usual "It's a date", but there's obviously no chance he'll be rejected. So we'll have to team up to bitch about something else. Lol!
N

[Komaschwarz]

Originally posted by Hellonheels
I'd say my usual "It's a date", but there's obviously no chance he'll be rejected. So we'll have to team up to bitch about something else. Lol!
N

We'll find out several months down the line I guess.

It is my personal mission to get Profane's name out. Gah....in Kingston it will be so much easier...more people to show his work to :)

[profane]

You guys crack me the hell up... I truly appreciate all the love and support. Thank you :)

[Hellonheels]

Originally posted by Komaschwarz
We'll find out several months down the line I guess.

It is my personal mission to get Profane's name out. Gah....in Kingston it will be so much easier...more people to show his work to :)

More than Toronto? I doubt that very much, darling. Give me names of any connections you've got, I'll go in and plug Zac's work. I've got lots of free time these days, and I'm in the galleries all the time anyhow.... if you've got people I can talk to, I'd be more than happy to do it.
N

PS: Zac, you're very welcome. You know I love you!

[controlledchaos]

Yet another amazing piece, Zac. As I look at it I feel like I'm in an alien world full of desolation and despair. I feel sorry for the creatures. However, there are some features that tend to make me feel a glimmer of optimism, as if there is a new hope ready to unveil itself to these creatures. Those are my initial emotional response from your work. I've only had a few minutes to absorb it so these feelings are apt to change as I look at it more deeply.

I don't have much time right now but I'd like to chime in with some astrological references. First off, the moon appears to not just be a crescent moon, but a Balsamic Moon, also referred to as the Dark Moon (as coined by the famous astrologer Dane Rudhyar). The Dark Moon is the most powerful portion of the lunation cycle. This period in the lunation cycle typically hearlds in a period of transition where the past (the previous Full Moon) is revered for lessons learned while the future (the coming New Moon) is highly anticipated and looked upon with great promise. It's truly a cleansing period where one enters the "void" only to eventually emerge to a promising new cycle. Maybe this is the "new hope" in this work, the sign that something better will emerge from this turmoil. It is also indicative of the cyclic nature of all things, including the events depicted in your work. I should also mention that some ancient cultures viewed this portion of the lunar cycle as the time of self sacrifice for the future growth of humanity as a whole. The Dark Moon tends to be intensely personal and most find their true destiny during this phase.

I also thought that this Moon could be in the process of an eclipse (though I like my Dark Moon interp better). Obviously, the eclipse of the Moon has been viewed by many cultures as a bad omen. Lunar eclipses were seen to bring in disasters and always signified the end of a cycle. Lunar eclipses are highly personal, much more so than Solar eclipses. Usually it signifies the ending of a relationship of some sort. As a result, emotions run high and many feel as if their depressed feelings will never end. It's said that these feelings will last for one month for every hour the eclipse lasts. I use eclipses, both Solar and Lunar, in transit charts a lot as they give clues to emotional turmoil over the coming months.

And, I noticed the head of the Mercury symbol on top of the tree in the forefront. Making this the "Tree of Knowledge"? I have to tell you, at first, when I looked at that symbol, I viewed it as the symbol for Taurus, which most associate with stubborness and steadfastness. However, Taurus really is a "green" sign and can symbolize a period of growth and regeneration. I'd go more into Taurus now, but I'm turning this into an astrology forum :/.

I have more to add about the trees too but I think my 18 hours straight of being awake are catching up to me. Nice work, Zak! And thanks for giving us yet another piece to ponder :)

[profane]

Nicole: Plugging my work would be absolutely phenomenal!

Shannon: First off, thank you for taking the time to look at my painting and leaving such a nice and thorough reply. I like your initial responses to the piece - Much of the very same emotions I was conveying with it..

Your views and information on the Moon is extremely interesting and I love hearing about it. Astrology is absolutely fascinating, which I'm sure you could easily figure out how much it influences me. I love your interpretation of the moon being the Dark Moon. That actually makes perfect sense, since this piece conveys the cyclic nature of things, personal enlightenment and true destiny. As I worked on the painting it became more and more personal, and after I finished it - It was like a child of mine. I felt relief, happiness, sadness, and many different emotions all at once. I strive for that feeling.

As far as the Mercury on the head of the tree - I wanted to keep it vague like most of my work, so that it can be applied in many different situations and concepts, which you have just done. Although, it would only make sense that Mercury sits on the head of this tree to make it the tree of supreme knowledge. The messenger of life.

I could go on for hours, but it's getting late. We'll talk more on these things and again, I truly appreciate all the kind comments and you taking the time to reply in such a nice manner. It really means a lot. Thank you, Shannon.

Take care, and ponder away :)

[NamelessUseless]

Your painting is fucking fantastic.

[Hellonheels]

Originally posted by profane
Nicole: Plugging my work would be absolutely phenomenal!



I'll do whatever I can.

[profane]

Originally posted by NamelessUseless
Your painting is fucking fantastic.

Thank you!

Nicole: I know. You're great :)

[NamelessUseless]

Hey, it's just honesty. You are immensely talented.

[profane]

Thank you. Please check out my other work: http://profane.deviantart.com/gallery

Enjoy!

[NamelessUseless]

Nice.

[MissFoggie]

CC loved reading your post. thanks for contributing to this thread!

Originally posted by Hellonheels
Give me names of any connections you've got, I'll go in and plug Zac's work. I've got lots of free time these days, and I'm in the galleries all the time anyhow.... if you've got people I can talk to, I'd be more than happy to do it.

don't plug it until i buy the ones i want. lol the value might go up.
i'll do my part in Houston but not until i have the ones i want in my possession folks. sorry Zac.

Originally posted by profane
I could go on for hours, but it's getting late. We'll talk more on these things and again, I truly appreciate all the kind comments and you taking the time to reply in such a nice manner. It really means a lot. Thank you, Shannon.

i'm looking forward to that.

hope you or someone addresses the 3 snakes. i'm still baffled and changing my name to "OBTUSE".

[profane]

Hah, you crack me up. I'll let you know when I'm willing to sell some originals. That's gonna be a sad day :) I'll only get rid of them for the right prices... That which I'm not sure of at this moment.

As far as the three snakes. Well - There are many influences and symbolic attributes to my usage of them. Like I said before, the Serpent Staff of Hermes was a big influence in their placement and use. The interesting thing is that the Staff of Hermes was originally believed that the snakes incorporated were said to be breeding, but they were originally meant to be quarreling. The staff has always represented life, the bringing forth of being from nothingness. The Staff of Hermes is represented as a two dimensional object, but it is not meant to be viewed as such. It is a three dimensional object and is seen as a double helix, looking a lot like DNA, the building blocks of life. Each snake represents the creation/destruction dynamic and neither of them touch each other. Not one is greater than the other, but they co-exist. It is a two dimensional physical representation of a transcendent intellectual action that flows forth from the mind of the creator.

Also the fact that Mercury, the messenger of knowledge, creativity and artistic flair is said to be represented by serpents and snakes alike. Obviously my usage of three represents the trinity, and one of the most powerful numbers to exist in numerology.

I hope that gave you some information on my usage and I hope you would research more.

Hope that helped :)

[MissFoggie]

Zac if i were an artist don't believe i could bare parting with my creations. it's truly in your best interest to keep as much original art as you can. Gallery owners want to see it and many times want the entire collection for an exhibition.

ahhh ... more homework. lofl damn you! thanks for all the information. shittt ... i go to these links and get side tracked and begin reading other fascinating information.

found the following interesting:

the Caduceus of Hermes (http://drblayney.com/Asclepius.html)

The mythical origin of his magic twin serpent caduceus is described in the story of Tiresias. Poulenc, in "Les Mamelles de Tiresias" (The Breasts of Tiresias) tells how Tiresias--the seer who was so unhelpful to Oepidus and Family- found two snakes copulating, and to separate them stuck his staff between them. Immediately he was turned into a woman, and remained so for seven years, until he was able to repeat his action, and change back to male. The transformative power in this story, strong enough to completely reverse even physical polarities of male and female, comes from the union of the two serpents, passed on by the wand. Tiresias' staff, complete with serpents, was later passed on to Hermes...

Occult Hermetic Connection: An occult description of the Caduceus of Hermes (Mercury) is that the serpents may represent positive and negative kundalini as it moves through the chakras and around the spine (the staff) to the head where it communicates with MIND by intellection, the domain of Mercury [wings].

[profane]

Yeah, I plan on keeping the originals for quite some time anyway.

Good info, and I'm glad I led you on the path of discovery :)

[sargatanas]

when it says the skies bled red, does it suppose to be red in color? ................???? Anyway, for me it is superb.

[profane]

Thank you - And I merged your thread. Please just post in an existing thread :)

[ScabsGunsNPB]

I love your use of color......a very well done peice congrats...
-Hydra

[profane]

Thank you :)

[Dope Clown]

Looks like you got enough interpretations on this piece to make it a book by itself. ;)

I quite like the overall piece, though the top right corner feels slightly distracting, it's a bit much and a bit heavy and I personally don't feel it's being counter balanced by anything else in the piece.

I always loved how you were able to make colors naturally fade between each other, it gives the image such flow.. the front character made me directly think of Edward Munch's 'The Scream/Cry,' which is incidentally also a very 'red' piece and there are some similarities with shapes in the two pieces, however, your 'man' feels much more relaxed and contemplating.

There's a small detail about your piece I'm curious about, the 'trees' have fruits but one of the 'fruits' looks like it has horns, is there any reason why? Sorry if this has been covered previously.

As said, the overall piece is nice, the symbolism is probably flying over my head because I am not really that read into matters of what has been brought up in this thread, I'll admit. But, it's always fun to see a new piece from you. Keep up the good work.

[profane]

Thanks for the very kind response and criticism, Dope. The 'horns' on that piece of fruit is a tie into Mercury. This was brought up earlier, but that's ok. Glad you like. Take care.

[MissFoggie]

what is this doing on the 2nd page?

profane ... any new art?

[profane]

I've got a few new studies - Haven't created any new pieces, but I plan on doing a few larger scale experimental pieces. And thanks for the bump :)

[1989BCCClasmate]

Originally posted by profane
I've got a few new studies - Haven't created any new pieces, but I plan on doing a few larger scale experimental pieces. And thanks for the bump :)
CAN'T wait...........

[MissFoggie]

^ i'm with you 1989!

profane ... i can whip out a new painting ever 30 minutes. they look like it too. like shit! lol after playing with watercolors i have even more respect for your talent.

just out of curiousity ... how much time did you spent on "Psyche" and which painting took you the longest?

[profane]

Time is a hard aspect for me to say - Simply because I lose track of time while I'm creating. Psyche did take a while, granted it was a completely experimental piece. Color was thrown down and then everything was pulled out of the abstraction. I plan to do another style like this.

Esoteric Libido took the longest to paint because it is highly planned out and sectioned. It is also 22x30", and contains lots of color layering. Lots of hours.

By the way, thank you :)

[MissFoggie]

profane thanks for replying. i don't have the patience to be an artist.

ohhh ... i keep forgetting to ask. where are the heads of the snakes?

[profane]

They are there, just very small. You can see their tongues ever so slightly :)

[MissFoggie]

ok i see now. thanks! this piece must be amazing in person.

Zac ... i printed out a couple and they are beautiful!

[profane]

And that's not even in 300 dpi :)

[OBSCENE(S)AINT]

i do believe that i am using one of your wallpapers as my current desktop wallpapers :P

im heavily impressed with your work. its sensational!

[MissFoggie]

Originally posted by profane
And that's not even in 300 dpi :)

i'm looking forward to buying some prints. shittt ... aren't we all!

[roelq]

very nice. scenery is very dali, to me. maybe just a tad too much?

love the colouring as usual...

and there is more, but no time, so maybe later.


good luck zac

[profane]

Thanks for the comments roelq and obscene... I appreciate it. :)

Prints soon!

[profane]

Bump.

[Komaschwarz]

Haha, I had time to kill at my co-op placement at MBE, so I printed "And The Sky Bled Red" onto an 8 x 11 label sheet, and made it a giant sticker, which now is affixed to my locker =P

[profane]

Haha, that's awesome man! Get any interesting comments from people? ;)

[Komaschwarz]

Originally posted by profane
Haha, that's awesome man! Get any interesting comments from people? ;)

My first comment (or question rather), was "Hey Brad, what are you sticking on your locker?

My second comment (by someone who actually has a background in art) said "Is it just me, or do you get a Dali vibe from this?". She also managed to figure out the eye of horus, the serpent, and the meaning of that biblical tree :)

My third comment was Jessie saying something along the lines of "Oh, so you printed that off too?" (The placement I was at had a slow day so they said I could make anything, so I made "The Flowering" into a mousepad for Jessie :P)

Don't worry, I made sure that even if I cropped your photos, that your name was still in the shot :)

I only put it up yesterday, but I expect I'll get more comments soon.


EDIT:When your famous you should commercialize :D Mousepads, placemats, coasters, business cards, hats, t-shirts, the works

[Hellonheels]

Originally posted by Komaschwarz
EDIT:When your famous you should commercialize :D Mousepads, placemats, coasters, business cards, hats, t-shirts, the works
You forgot about the obligatory coffee mug. Corporate whore. LOL!
N

[Komaschwarz]

Originally posted by Hellonheels
You forgot about the obligatory coffee mug. Corporate whore. LOL!
N

coffee mug, prints, perfume line...

It could go on

[profane]

That's interesting that she noticed some of my symbolic references... That's good, I'm glad she's picking up on these things. I definitely take pride in my Dalinian influence... As long as I can utilize some of his techniques and apply them to my own style, that's all I can ask.

Oh, and making all those products would be awesome. Mouse pads and T-shirts.... I like that idea.

[Komaschwarz]

Originally posted by profane
That's interesting that she noticed some of my symbolic references... That's good, I'm glad she's picking up on these things. I definitely take pride in my Dalinian influence... As long as I can utilize some of his techniques and apply them to my own style, that's all I can ask.

Oh, and making all those products would be awesome. Mouse pads and T-shirts.... I like that idea.

You could make good dough that way :P MBE sells mousepads for $14.95 Canadian. If you bought lots in an American outlet, they may even give you price breaks. Then, you simply charge people more.

Or, you run a few advertisements in a local newspaper. Maybe even dish out the dough to run a full color half (or even full) page picture of one of your pieces, and underneath it explain how on such and such a day between such and such times you will be showing off your pieces to the public.

People will come. People automatically assume that anything that is advertised is worth buying, its stupid, but humans are stupid consumers for the most part.

Then you could have shirts and shit made up at your house, and tons of prints made, and you'd probably sell lots that very same day.

You can go far - just be a commercial whore :D

[Hellonheels]

Originally posted by profane
Oh, and making all those products would be awesome. Mouse pads and T-shirts.... I like that idea.
No you don't... Seriously? That makes me a little sad on the inside.... :S
N

[profane]

I'm talking down the road maybe. ;)

[Komaschwarz]

Originally posted by Hellonheels
No you don't... Seriously? That makes me a little sad on the inside.... :S
N

Selling stuff does not equate to making crap. There is nothing wrong with whoring out products if your work is still phenominal :P

An artist needs to eat too you know!

[profane]

Yeah! I'm starving here! :P

[Hellonheels]

Originally posted by Komaschwarz
Selling stuff does not equate to making crap. There is nothing wrong with whoring out products if your work is still phenominal :P

An artist needs to eat too you know!
When did I say anything about crap? Geez...
N

[profane]

How dare you call my life's work crap!#@%$!!!11111

*Cries*

;)

[Hellonheels]

:O


If I didn't know you were joking, I swear I would so come down there and hurt you! LOL! ;)
N

[profane]

Haha, I'm such a joker! Hurt me? But, I'm a manly man! You can't hurt me! I've got muscles of steel! [/end macho voice]

[Hellonheels]

Originally posted by profane
Nicole - Yeah, you could take me.. and no, I couldn't handle it.

*Faints*

:)
I win again.
N

[profane]

Cheater! You can't quote out of that thread! !@%$#! It's an outrage!

[Hellonheels]

I'm incorrigible. :D

But I still win, I can quote out of whatever thread I want! And it took me a good while to FIND that quote, so at least give me credit for that.
N

[profane]

Ok fine. I'm a stale loser. ;)

[Hellonheels]

I love you anyway. :)
N

[profane]

Oh I know :)

[MissFoggie]

Originally posted by profane
Oh, and making all those products would be awesome. Mouse pads and T-shirts.... I like that idea.

oh nooo ... you and Peter Max! lol i know you need to make money Zac.

[MsFit]

Originally posted by profane

FULL VERSION (http://daze.undertow.org/images/andtheskybledred.jpg)

http://daze.undertow.org/images/andtheskybledred_small.jpg

Alazarin Rose is wearing her fetus on her head and it's giving her a headache, thus she's holding her head, and she's like uuuggghhh... Ohhhh.. the weight and bloody mess of abortion... we love the freedom of doing it and showing it off, yet it lays on our concience. The price of freedom weighs heavily upon our heads.

[profane]

Kay - Yeah, I know, stupid idea. Not something I'd actually do... I'm much more focused on producing the art rather than selling it right now. Even though selling it is important :)

MsFit - I know that was mainly just you being a complete jackass and making a joke out of my painting, but I will say that it is much deeper than something that surfaced. Kinda funny, but I'm also bothered by the fact that you took the time to post something that retarded, when I took the time to paint something so beautiful.

I guess I'll never understand your motives.

[TERROJA]

INFO: The anthology is coming. I hope to print it out next month with the assisstance of a vanity press. It will be extremely high quality. I've worked a long time to make sure every aspect of it is as perfect as possible. I want it to be worth whatever people pay for it.

Pricing and content details forthcoming.

[MsFit]

Actually it wasn't a stupid post. Okay, the first part of it was, but not the second. In that piece, there is a person who can see something that others can't. It's weighing heavily on their mind...thus holding their head as the pain is overwhelming. The blood-red sky reinforces this. If you don't see it now, you will see it in the future.

Also there is growth all around this individual, but it is stunted and unhealthy.

[profane]

TJ: Good to hear, I'll make my finishing changes on the cover text and let you know :)

MsFit: Now was that so hard to do? I like that, and thanks for offering a valid interpretation.

[MsFit]

I want to feed your art, but I don't want to feed that ugly little monster that I know exists inside of you. Some of the greatest artists suffer from a Dr. Jeckyll Mr. Hyde syndrome. Geniuses at their art, but unable to sometimes communicate in any other way. It's a curse and a gift. My whole life has been wrapped up in art. Don't think that I don't know what it's all about.

I had to let go of producing art. There's a monster inside of some of us and we have to learn how to harness it. You have to learn to use the gift/curse in a way that it won't consume you.

You have to learn how to respect people, yet be able to get your point across. It's not an easy thing to balance. Some people self-destruct. Some people stop before they self-destruct. Some people learn to harness it and use it.

I've always got a lot of things going on. It's sometimes hard for me to relate messages anymore because of so many projects. Sometimes I don't get the message clearly across because it's too painful to go back there.

I'm embarrrassed now and I'm going to shut up. :X

[Hellonheels]

Originally posted by TERROJA
INFO: The anthology is coming. I hope to print it out next month with the assisstance of a vanity press. It will be extremely high quality. I've worked a long time to make sure every aspect of it is as perfect as possible. I want it to be worth whatever people pay for it.

Pricing and content details forthcoming.
You have to send me a copy.
N

[1989BCCClasmate]

I'll have the fish dip and crackers.....


I had to break that heviness in the air a bit.....


I admire your dedication Pro! You will accomplish many great things in your lifetime...

Has anyone taken a look at Pro's artsite lately...seems there is a nice little bio thingy...why dont you all go have a look!


I think you're great Pro!

[roelq]

Originally posted by MsFit
I want to feed your art, but I don't want to feed that ugly little monster that I know exists inside of you. Some of the greatest artists suffer from a Dr. Jeckyll Mr. Hyde syndrome. Geniuses at their art, but unable to sometimes communicate in any other way. It's a curse and a gift. My whole life has been wrapped up in art. Don't think that I don't know what it's all about.

I had to let go of producing art. There's a monster inside of some of us and we have to learn how to harness it. You have to learn to use the gift/curse in a way that it won't consume you.

You have to learn how to respect people, yet be able to get your point across. It's not an easy thing to balance. Some people self-destruct. Some people stop before they self-destruct. Some people learn to harness it and use it.

I've always got a lot of things going on. It's sometimes hard for me to relate messages anymore because of so many projects. Sometimes I don't get the message clearly across because it's too painful to go back there.

I'm embarrrassed now and I'm going to shut up. :X
don't be embarrassed
it's true

i felt it.

[TERROJA]

Originally posted by Hellonheels
You have to send me a copy.
N

Um, it costs money.

[Hellonheels]

Um, when did I say I wouldn't pay for it?
N

[MissFoggie]

Originally posted by profane
Kay - Yeah, I know, stupid idea. Not something I'd actually do... I'm much more focused on producing the art rather than selling it right now. Even though selling it is important :)
Zac do what you must do to stay creative. you are so fucking talented if i had the money ... i'd buy everything you've done. trust me ... that's rare for me to feel that way too. come to think of it ... i NEVER have.

i've given up on the gallery. breaks my heart too. in my research learned that gallery owners sometimes buy entire collections from young artists. so hang in there.

[profane]

I'm doing what I can to stay creative - This new watercolor piece is almost done and this one has been a real tough one for me to get out. Probably because it's a bit different than what I usually do, lots of color layering, but I think it's coming out pretty good so we'll see how you guys like it. I should have it finished up by this Friday. So, stay tuned.

After this, I want to take a short break to redo my website in a more appropriate manner with larger images to click on. I'm sick of linking people to DeviantArt to see my larger images.

After that is completed, I am going to have my hand more focused on oils. I came across a very interesting technique called the Mische Technique that was used in the 16th, 17th century by Flemish painters. It is known as 'painting with light'. It should certainly be interesting and I'm excited to try something new.

Other than that, I have another important project that is on the verge of happening and I'll enlighten everyone with that as soon as I'm 100% sure. Anyway, thanks for the support :)

[1989BCCClasmate]

:)
I am eagerly anticipating all of your new creations! You Go Boy!

[MissFoggie]

^ i'm with you chief!

Zac ... oils sounds very interesting.

[David Alexander]

Awesome!

[sixpastsix]

I felt like bumping this.....so there...

I'm having a hard time with the two beings in the background. It almost looks as if one shot the other, or if one killed themselves and the other is catching them or something.

Note to self: No more Weed on lunch break!!

Great work, as usual Zac... I never commented on this one, when i get home I may leave another comment!

[profane]

Originally posted by sixpastsix
I felt like bumping this.....so there...

I'm having a hard time with the two beings in the background. It almost looks as if one shot the other, or if one killed themselves and the other is catching them or something.

Note to self: No more Weed on lunch break!!

Great work, as usual Zac... I never commented on this one, when i get home I may leave another comment!

Thanks for the bump, Tom.

As far as the figures in the background go... Well, take it as you will. The main idea between them is embrace, comfort, and support. As you notice, the female's head is bleeding, while the other figure hold's her from behind. As I said before in this thread - This piece conveys sacrifice for a well-being. This embrace just furthers that connection.

I would love to see another comment from you Tom :) Thanks man.

[sixpastsix]

I got the blood part, as well as the sacrficing nature, but I was just troubled over deciding if it was self inclicted, or inflicted upon one from the other....I'll look at it more in depth when I get home, being at work trying to analyze it, really doesn't work out too well.

[profane]

More-so, self inflicted in nature. Thanks for the compliments and comments Tom :)

[TERROJA]

1-29-05?!!!!!

Fuck. This anthology has been such a bitch to put together. I can't believe it's taken so long.

[.new.model.]

Originally posted by IAMYOU
i wouldent be able to pick that out if it was in a gallery of mansons work.

Well, if it wasn't for the seemingly lack of white in 75% of the frame.

[profane]

Originally posted by IAMYOU
i wouldent be able to pick that out if it was in a gallery of mansons work.

It's obvious it's not Manson's work. The aesthetic, symbolism, and color usage is completely different. Like .new.model. said, my filling of the entire page with color is a COMPLETELY different approach than Manson takes. It IS watercolor, you fucking moron.

You know nothing, get the fuck out of my thread.

[TERROJA]

Originally posted by IAMYOU
i wouldent be able to pick that out if it was in a gallery of mansons work.

Incidentally, I wouldn't be able to pick out your posts if they were on a board frequented by retarded monkeys.

[.new.model.]

Originally posted by TERROJA
Incidentally, I wouldn't be able to pick out your posts if they were on a board frequented by retarded monkeys.

Coincidentally...

[KillerPumpkins]

Very nice work! I like your colors and imagination. Striking!! KP

[profane]

Thank you very much, KP. Your compliments are very appreciated - I take pride in both my color use, my imagination, and especially my ability to make these thoughts become a reality.

[TERROJA]

Originally posted by .new.model.
Coincidentally...

No.

[profane]

And another bump. Some of you new kids haven't seen this madness :)

[TERROJA]

Attention-whore!

What a pretty painting . . .

[Vamediah]

i See a reference to The Philosophical Tree, the trees in the background looks like Marilyn manson's version of The Philosofical Tree (http://www.nachtkabarett.com/occult/philosophialtree.jpg)
http://www.nachtkabarett.com/occult/paintpitdetail.jpg

not in the front one, but the ones in the back maybe?
the front one is obviously the Apple of Sodom (http://www.nachtkabarett.com/occult/treeofsodom.jpg).

[TheBurk]

Originally posted by Vamediah
i See a reference to The Philosophical Tree, the trees in the background looks like Marilyn manson's version of The Philosofical Tree (http://www.nachtkabarett.com/occult/philosophialtree.jpg)
http://www.nachtkabarett.com/occult/paintpitdetail.jpg

not in the front one, but the ones in the back maybe?
the front one is obviously the Apple of Sodom (http://www.nachtkabarett.com/occult/treeofsodom.jpg).

ya, its deffinatly one of those, i also noticed the eye of god in there too.

[profane]

Originally posted by Vamediah
i See a reference to The Philosophical Tree, the trees in the background looks like Marilyn manson's version of The Philosofical Tree (http://www.nachtkabarett.com/occult/philosophialtree.jpg)
http://www.nachtkabarett.com/occult/paintpitdetail.jpg

not in the front one, but the ones in the back maybe?
the front one is obviously the Apple of Sodom (http://www.nachtkabarett.com/occult/treeofsodom.jpg).

The Tree of Sodom is a definite reference. I was also referring to Alchemical trees that are often depicted in correlation with Alchemical Androgyne as well, but referencing Manson's envision was not my intention. It was a direct call to the source. Thanks, and if you haven't read the rest of the thread, I suggest you do.

[TheBurk]

Originally posted by profane
The Tree of Sodom is a definite reference. I was also referring to Alchemical trees that are often depicted in correlation with Alchemical Androgyne as well, but referencing Manson's envision was not my intention. It was a direct call to the source. Thanks, and if you haven't read the rest of the thread, I suggest you do.

aww come on its 12 fucking pages :p

oh well, thats why im not goint to make any more responses.

[profane]

There is a lot of intelligent discussion on some of those pages... Very worth the time and effort but suit yourself.

[TheBurk]

Originally posted by profane
There is a lot of intelligent discussion on some of those pages... Very worth the time and effort but suit yourself.

eh well if you say so.... (thanks for not making the mean response you could have. :D ) *looks through the pages*

[TheBurk]

hmm... youre right, the only problem i could see with komas interpretation is that lucifer was never symbolized as a snake, satan was the snake, satan and lucifer in most dogma are seperate allied entities, lucifer being a fallen angel, and satan being the primordial evil, satan is shared by the hebrews related cultures, their fellow semites, the babylonians, sumerians, and assyrians, [though in slightly different forms, and not as the primary evil figure] most people who havent thouroghly read the bible or torah, get lucifer mixed up with satan, lucifer on the other hand is ment to be a referance to venus, and the king of babylon when he tried to take the throne of baal in isaiah, that is where lucifer as a fallen angel comes from, but it is acctualy a missinterpretation, but dont take my word for it[because i know you wont] , look it up, its also in the babylonian texts as well. see isaiah 14:12 also check my source:

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:d39ptdIS7dgJ:www.mystae.com/restricted/streams/scripts/satan.html+&hl=en

i had to use the google cache as the sites server is currently down. and when the server is back up im sure you will enjoy that site, its a good one.

[Fullyloaded]

I like it.

[profane]

Thank you...

[TERROJA]

http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/ros10.gif

From http://www.alchemywebsite.com/rosarium.html

[profane]

:)

Ah yes.

[Spinel]

i've been missing this forum, shit!

Profane I visited the site where your artwork is hosted (Deviant Art) and I was stunned. Redeemer took my breath... Sorry if I'm a litlle lost but has your work been exposed yet? Do you have it available for purchasing somewhere?....

My deepest congratulations :)

[profane]

Originally posted by Spinel
i've been missing this forum, shit!

Profane I visited the site where your artwork is hosted (Deviant Art) and I was stunned. Redeemer took my breath... Sorry if I'm a litlle lost but has your work been exposed yet? Do you have it available for purchasing somewhere?....

My deepest congratulations :)

Fantastic, I'm glad that my work has had such a positive effect on you. I have to redesign and upgrade my actual art and design site (http://daze.undertow.org) but I haven't had the motivation or time lately - which is why I'm relying on Deviant Art right now :P

To answer your question... No, I haven't been exposed yet, and it's extremely hard to do so. I haven't exahausted any ways yet, I'm just trying to keep developing my work in different styles so that I have a really wide variety to show galleries. We'll see... I need some exposure... hah. I have prints available for purchase HERE (http://www.mansonusa.com/council/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25508). Thanks again.

[Spinel]

OK thank you so much for pointing the right direction for me !

I must say “red in my head” also made got me staring for a while it is absolutely marvelous, even unfinished have you finished it yet… it really deserves to be finished

I’m a huge fan of Goya’s black series of paintings and Dali’s and somehow your work brings me to a emotional state as if was contemplating a both (ok maybe this is stupid but it is what I feel so fuck it) soooooo the thing is …for the moment this is still a long shot BUT: I'm interested (in a middle to long term) to start acquiring fine-art work for my house and I really would go for young artists that impress my heart rather then consecrated artist (of course I don’t mean Goya or Dali) which any way I would never afford to own originals but only serigraphy and stuff like that. So the next question would be: have ever thought (or actually did) sell your originals or aren't you ever thinking on doing that? I cannot imagine how it would be to put a price on such a personal thing as your artwork but you know of course if you succeed in this area you eventually will have to do so.

Sorry if I’m upsetting you but I have to post this question

[profane]

Ah Red In My Head... I actually did that piece back in 2002... It was one of my first real watercolors I did, and I did it all within a few hours. That piece will not have anything else done to it because I don't believe in going back into work that I've since dropped. I may do a second version of Red In My Head, with the same scene, but in oil or a quick watercolor version... Intriguing idea, actually.

That makes me quite pleased to know that my work evokes some of the same emotions that those two master's work does. As far as selling originals goes - I have thought of it, of course, but the price would have to be sufficient for what it's worth to me - also depending upon the piece in question. Don't worry about offending me, I realize selling my work is part of the nature of being an artist and I have no problem with that - In fact I welcome it, but only for a certain price. You're right, putting a price on your soul is difficult :) Thanks again.

[Macabre]

excellent work. I sent you a pm with what i'm interesed in. Hope you got it. Keep up the good work.

[Oddeye]

Ive been to that site before, i didnt realize you were the artist.
Your a very talented artist, once you do get exposure you should be making alot of money.

Anyway, i enjoyed your artwork very much, and look foward to seeing more.

[profane]

Macabre: I'll be replying in a few minutes... Thanks.

Oddeye: Interesting, you've seen my work previously but didn't realize I was the artist :P Regardless, thank you so much for the kind compliments. As far as the money goes and exposure goes... I can only hope, I'm in debt from my University pretty seriously. Eek...

[AndrewRoman]

Link doesn't work..

[profane]

Yeah, the site it was hosted on crashed. Click on my signature to go to my DeviantArt account. You can view the painting in my gallery there until I get my new website put together.

Or you can see it on my MySpace in my pictures.

http://profane.deviantart.com/gallery
http://www.myspace.com/pr0f4n3

Hope you like. :)