Little Horn

[Zimzum69]

I was thinking about the song little horn and listening to it too. Does anyone know if little horn is actually being reffered to as The AntiChrist. And also maybe Manson is doing this so in the vid. Disposable teens by emerging from the water.

[adamsrib]

That's an interesting thought. I've never been too clear on what was meant by "little horn." That could well be it.

[adamsrib]

Then what is meant by "out of the bottomless pit...?"

[sinister ninja]

Little Horn is a cool song.

[Calculations]

A very very small trumpet perhaps.

[sinister ninja]

lol calc

[adamsrib]

Originally posted by the arch dandy
in the bible the little horn comes out of the sea. Out of the sea, you say?

http://tinypic.com/1q1jip

[mOBSCENEsAINT]

Little Horn= The Roman Catholic Church.
The most powerful and contradictive(and corrupt) religion.

...When does one hear priests encouraging bible study? Followers would find many inconsistencies, that is, if they do not continue to deny the obvious:

Sunday worship among other pagan holidays(Christmas),

the pagan compiler of the New Testament,

"christian" symbolism,

continuous violation to the 10 commandments, in particular to "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them.."

violence under the name of God...

hence, many protestant religions were born.

[Komaschwarz]

Originally posted by mOBSCENEsAINT
Little Horn= The Roman Catholic Church.
The most powerful and contradictive(and corrupt) religion.

...When does one hear priests encouraging bible study? Followers would find many inconsistencies, that is, if they do not continue to deny the obvious:

Sunday worship among other pagan holidays(Christmas),

the pagan compiler of the New Testament,

"christian" symbolism,

continuous violation to the 10 commandments, in particular to "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them.."

violence under the name of God...

hence, many protestant religions were born.

Are you drunk?

[the_nihilist]

I think it describes the birth of the anti-christ.

[Hellonheels]

That's a good article, Arch Dandy - thanks for posting it. I just pulled out the Bible for the original story the article was written about, in case anyone wanted to see it in full:

Daniel 7:7, 8

"After this I saw in the night visions, and behold, a fourth beast, terrible and dreadful and exceedingly strong; and it had great iron teeth; it devoured and broke in pieces, and stamped the residue with its feet. It was different from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns. I considered the horns, and behold, there came up among them another horn, a little one, before which three of the first horns were plucked up by the roots; and behold in this horn were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking great things."

[TimothySkold6]

To me, Little Horn is like a dream of what is to come about the Antichrist.

[stuffed_jackel]

space/Sea/void/bottomless pit; are found to oddly resemble the same place...and/or places...

[SamuraiKoala32]

Originally posted by adamsrib
Out of the sea, you say?

http://tinypic.com/1q1jip

yes! about damn time someone understood the true meaning of "little horn". i'm as sure that the song's about godzilla as i am that "this is the new shit" is about frustration with constapation.

[bjornwad]

the title "little horn" is mentioned in the movie Constatine as a name of Satan.

[timnicebutdim]

Just incase it wasn't noticed, in the bible the Little Horn is described as the 5th horn... And what track number is Little Horn appear on ACS?

You gottit - number 5 :) coincidence? I think not!

[Hellonheels]

Originally posted by timnicebutdim
Just incase it wasn't noticed, in the bible the Little Horn is described as the 5th horn...


Originally posted by Hellonheels
Daniel 7:7, 8

"After this I saw in the night visions, and behold, a fourth beast, terrible and dreadful and exceedingly strong; and it had great iron teeth; it devoured and broke in pieces, and stamped the residue with its feet. It was different from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns. I considered the horns, and behold, there came up among them another horn, a little one, before which three of the first horns were plucked up by the roots; and behold in this horn were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking great things."

Technically, if you count the three that were taken out of the original ten, it's the EIGHTH horn. Where in the Bible is it described as the fifth?
N

[timnicebutdim]

Originally posted by Hellonheels
Technically, if you count the three that were taken out of the original ten, it's the EIGHTH horn. Where in the Bible is it described as the fifth?
N

The forth beast had 10 horns (so it says in the quote from the bible)...and then another horn grew which apparantly had a mouth + eyes....rather human characters. so you could count that as another beast.... a 5th beast.

[Hellonheels]

Originally posted by timnicebutdim
The forth beast had 10 horns (so it says in the quote from the bible)...and then another horn grew which apparantly had a mouth + eyes....rather human characters. so you could count that as another beast.... a 5th beast.

You could, but you probably shouldn't. Besides, he said fifth HORN, not beast, and I disproved him.
N

[anthony]

Originally posted by my_name_s_chris
while you were all busy with a seeming war

something else happened on the left side, while you were looking right over here,....there

out of the image egg (oval office)
came out the thing
the parents are england

and then to image the pheonix
rebirth

look at this

a uniting kingdom

with a King?

and where's your king?

aren't you people united?

wut am a sayn here....

no.

[Zimzum69]

only on weekends.

[timnicebutdim]

Originally posted by Komaschwarz
Read it again. There are two beasts. There are only two beasts which are reffered to as the beasts. Thus, two beasts.

Mystery solved.

Just because Satan appears as a Dragon, doesn't make him another beast.

OK - just to make sure we're singing from the same hymn sheet so to speak, this is what I was referring to:

Daniel 7:7, 8

"After this I saw in the night visions, and behold, a fourth beast, terrible and dreadful and exceedingly strong; and it had great iron teeth; it devoured and broke in pieces, and stamped the residue with its feet. It was different from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns. I considered the horns, and behold, there came up among them another horn, a little one, before which three of the first horns were plucked up by the roots; and behold in this horn were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking great things."

The only time that bit refers to 'the beast' is when it says 'was different from all the beasts that were before it'...All i'm imagining from that little extract is a beast sprouting out of a 4th beast (making it a 5th beast)... and how that fits in with 'Little Horn' being track #5 on ACSS. Am I missing something before / after the extract that would make me stand corrected? or am I missing something blatantly obvious in the extract?

[Hellhammer]

Little horn is a glimps into the future

[Church Owl]

Don't be lazy, check nachtkabarett.com, and read about whatever you want to know about Manson... Like thay say,it's the opinion "you will inevitabily agree with" (well,works for me, I trust them 100% as far as something regarding Marilyn Manson's "interpretations" are concerned). Of course there may be some things they failed to discover/analyze,but hey...they're only humans, I guess.

[Hellonheels]

Originally posted by Church Owl
Don't be lazy, check nachtkabarett.com, and read about whatever you want to know about Manson... Explain to me how exactly it's less lazy to go to a website and read a stranger's interpretations on something, rather than using your brain to form your own?
N

[TheBurk]

Originally posted by Komaschwarz
Are you drunk?

or high?


little horn is probably a false prophet, not THE antichrist as biblicly there is no single antichrist, perhaps a politician, somone to lead us into the end.

[Church Owl]

Explain to me how exactly it's less lazy to go to a website and read a stranger's interpretations on something, rather than using your brain to form your own?

That's not what I meant. If someone doesn't do any kind of research when has a question, why would that said person form their own interpretation? Maybe it's just me, but when I have a doubt, I try to do a bit of research, and based on the results of it, I form my opinion. Anyway, what's the difference between going to a website and read their interpretation and going to a website to ask for an answer? Seems that is forming a opinion based on strangers' interpretations, and I value research more than being handed in with an opinion. I may be wrong though.

[Hellonheels]

Originally posted by Church Owl
That's not what I meant. If someone doesn't do any kind of research when has a question, why would that said person form their own interpretation? Maybe it's just me, but when I have a doubt, I try to do a bit of research, and based on the results of it, I form my opinion. Anyway, what's the difference between going to a website and read their interpretation and going to a website to ask for an answer? Seems that is forming a opinion based on strangers' interpretations, and I value research more than being handed in with an opinion. I may be wrong though. So what you're saying is that accepting TRNQT and Koma's opinions qualifies as "research". Those two are not the final authority on Marilyn Manson or Marilyn Manson analyses, regardless of what they tell you. You can agree with them all you like, but does it really count unless you do your own actual research to compare?
N

[Church Owl]

lol

Well, you have a point there. But it's asking something like "What's the meaning of this song?" research? That's what I'm talking about. It's the same as consulting an encychlopedia, you open it,and you eventually read something related to what you want to know, but ideally you should search different sources on the same subject (books,internet,whatever) and make your own interpretation. You're totally right, reading just from one source it's not an acceptable research,but it's a start,right? I just "reccomended" the site because Zimzum69's question is well answered there (in my humble opinion) and he could find more interesting stuff related to it. That's all. Shall we finish this discussion now?

*rolls eyes*

[TheBurk]

Originally posted by Hellonheels
So what you're saying is that accepting TRNQT and Koma's opinions qualifies as "research". Those two are not the final authority on Marilyn Manson or Marilyn Manson analyses, regardless of what they tell you. You can agree with them all you like, but does it really count unless you do your own actual research to compare?
N

even brian warner dosent know what all goes on in marilyn manson's head.

[Hellonheels]

Originally posted by TheBurk
even brian warner dosent know what all goes on in marilyn manson's head. Maybe he could ask TRNQT to explain it to him. *snickers*
N

[TheBurk]

Originally posted by Hellonheels
Maybe he could ask TRNQT to explain it to him. *snickers*
N

heh i like you :D

[Hellonheels]

Originally posted by TheBurk
heh i like you :D Always a good thing. Thanks! :)

[maugan_ra_3rd]

I don't like extensive research, and an overly studious approach to art. Surely intuition is more important; artists themselves work largely on the intuitive level.

TRNQT's approach is interesting, for sure, but I really think it "rips the balls" out of Mansons work, at times.

[iwtv]

Originally posted by maugan_ra_3rd
TRNQT's approach is interesting, for sure, but I really think it "rips the balls" out of Mansons work, at times.

Nicely put. And of course there can be more than one meaning to some of Manson's lyrics. Sometimes it seems like people are obsessed with coming up with a single, definitive explanation.

The more I listen to his lyrics, the more I re-think what certain lyrics could mean. I also like relating others' words to my own personal experiences or what *I* believe in, which adds quality to what I'm listening to. I hope I said all that right. :}

[Insect]

Little horn is one of many names for Satan.

[Hellonheels]

Oh golly gee, it appears that one of Koma's posts is missing again.

You know, Koma darling, the admins have this crazy little trick where they can prune everything you've posted before a certain date. If you'd like to save yourself a little time, just say the word. I'm sure they'd be glad to help you out....
N

[TheBurk]

Originally posted by Hellonheels
Oh golly gee, it appears that one of Koma's posts is missing again.

You know, Koma darling, the admins have this crazy little trick where they can prune everything you've posted before a certain date. If you'd like to save yourself a little time, just say the word. I'm sure they'd be glad to help you out....
N

OH BURN!!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/theburk/butt20a20blazin.gif

[The_Fool]

"there's an apple in the pussy mouth
now I am the dinner whore
there's a tumor in the t.v. mouth
burn it out before it grows
someone better get the dog to kick,
jaws wired shut to save the dick
out of the bottomless pit comes the little horn
"little horn is born"
the world spreads its legs for another star
world shows its face for another scar
dead will dance for what is left
the worms will wait with baited breath
"your blind have now become my deaf"
so says this little horn
"save yourself from this..."

...Possibly being reborn from the world of promiscuous t.v icons, making our world "cancerous" ..."there's a tumor in the t.v. mouth".....and in the past, he was nothing and then, the little horn comes out and sort of rescues him of this world of mediocricy.....I am thinking that "little horn" is a symbolism of his spurting new horns of a new world....becoming something new....and with this he is confused because he is stuck in this thought that he is like everyone else "the world spreads its legs for another star" and he loses his confidence....with the line "dead will dance for what is left"....and possibly the line "your blind have now become my deaf" implies that Manson was living with the "blind" metaphorically in the past, not seeing the truth out there in the world....and then suddenly when he becomes a "star", the "blind" almost automatically switch their "impairments" to not hearing him out....like there is no way to get his point across...and ending with the line "save yourself from this..." maybe means that this process is "A Hard Long Road Out of Hell" and that there is no way to stop it if started......I don't know...that's my theory....

[Gen Appithy]

ignoring entirely what little horn has to do with the entirety of ACSS MM has said in interviews that the images found in little horn came to him in a nightmare. something about a post-apocalyptic future stip bar

someone better get the dog to kick,
jaws wired shut to save the dick

something about male strippers on a platform with monsters all around in pits trying to bite off their dicks. very strange to say the least. of course all these images where later stream lined into a song to fit the larger story of ACSS.

i swear people i coudn't make this shit up.

[Stephen Bitch]

What's a "Stiper"? Some kind of Michael Stipe clone?