Rate the new guitarist.

[Shangri-LIE]

mOBSTERS and lOBSTERS. All who have attended the temple
of the Anti - Christ Superstar this tour on " Against All Gods".
Rate the new guitarist. Mr. Chaussee.

Note - not people who have not either saw a bootleg, a
photo, a concert, or Timothyskold6. (;

Lets getition

[chemist80]

I voted for the highest category. I think he did an alright job when I saw them. I didn't have any reason to give him a lower score.

[adamsrib]

I haven't heard him yet.

[Burlesk]

Originally posted by Shangri-LIE

Note - not people who have not either saw a bootleg, a
photo, a concert, or Timothyskold6. (;

Lets getition

i love your Rules.

Btw He gets a 10 in my book.

[Shangri-LIE]

Originally posted by BurleSK101
i love your Rules.

Well think Burlesk. They cut down out bias hear say, and
Jealous 5 mourners.

Thus far according to my RULES, which aren't restrictions as
much as they are fair perimeters on which to judge a LIVE
guitarist. Than I would say signs point more toward the
positive future , and role of Mark in MM

Merry Christmas You Filthy Animals

[pissed_ghost]

i haven't heard him even talk...

[Pr3ttYLikEDrugS]

Ive downloaded things with him in but i havent actually seen him but what i downloaded he was good- id say 7 or 8

[Ramirez 425]

5-8 cuz i didnt like sweet dreams solo and he messed up and i wasnt impressed with lunchbox but other than that good

[The Hermit]

7-8. He really isn`t that bad as some people say.

[Hazekiah]

Despite some very vocal critics and their whiney critiques, I really feel like he's a pretty damned good addition to the band, especially considering the short notice with which he became a member. I really like the raw, Stooges-esque quality he brings to some songs...I think after the somewhat staid nature of John 5's technique the band could use a little more "RAWK."

And people get their panties in a twist over his stage-stance, but I think he looks cool as hell. His legs-splayed, battle-ready action pose kicks ass, as far as I'm concerned. As it stands now, he's basically in the same position Zimmy was when he started...but Mark seems to "own" the role alot more effectively. Zimmy seemed too shy and looked like he was scared shitless with stagefright most of the time, imho. Which wasn't without its own charm, mind you...but Mark looks like he means business to me.

I'm all for 'im.


(I voted for the second rating bracket...I'd give 'im an 8)

[Legato]

He did a fine job both times I saw him, I rated him 9.

[andersonlw]

He might have messed up in the first few concerts on the tour, but by the time they reached Orlando he must have gotten better. I didn't see or hear what all the complaint was about. I didn't notice any screw-ups so he must have performed well. 9-10 for me.

[Shangri-LIE]

He had to make quite an adjustment. His style previous to Manson was so rugged, and loose. He really had to tighten
up for these songs. I knew he would turn out just fine. So
all of you haterz and complainer bois can shut the fuck up
now. (;

[sicklystar]

im suprised that all the votes were in the 1-4 section..

i said 1-4 because i saw him at the begining of the tour, and he sucked. thats the only time i saw/heard him..so there you go..

[Shangri-LIE]

Well most of them are in the 5 - 8 . So it is subjective on what show it was.

[sicklystar]

eh, i thought most people would put 1-4 becuase they hate him for some reason other than his skill..

[President Dead]

I think he did good at the Boston gig,so I gave him a 9.

[MissFoggie]

i gave him a 9 - 10 because he's new, has balls and did a wonderful job in Houston.

my heart goes out to any new guitarist especially replacing John.

btw ... who is Mark and where did he come from?

my time and date are wrong. it's 12.13.04 and 11:01pm.

[Shangri-LIE]

Mark has been friends with Manson for a long time. He was
in the Band " Fight" that Rob Halford fronts. Manson heard
him play, and basically had him in mind first thing after the
departure.

[MissFoggie]

thanks Shangri! *smiles* i was curious.

[Shangri-LIE]

Originally posted by MissFoggie
thanks Shangri! *smiles* i was curious.

It's no problem. You can always count on a smart guy like me.

[MissFoggie]

^ good to know. *smiles*

[MissFoggie]

Originally posted by Shangri-LIE
Mark has been friends with Manson for a long time. He was
in the Band " Fight" that Rob Halford fronts. Manson heard
him play, and basically had him in mind first thing after the
departure.

forgot to ask ... is the band "Fight" from L.A.?

[TimothySkold6]

Originally posted by MissFoggie
he has balls

How's that??? Because he took the job???

[MissFoggie]

^ YES!

[TimothySkold6]

Originally posted by MissFoggie
^ YES!

Does that mean Tom Delonge or Benji Madden or even Britney Spears would have balls if they took the job????

[MissFoggie]

Originally posted by TimothySkold6
Does that mean Tom Delonge or Benji Madden or even Britney Spears would have balls if they took the job????

don't know who those people are? i do know who Britney is. lofl

would they have balls for taking John's place?

FUCK YEAH!

does Britney plays guitar?

[suicieti]

i dont really like the guitarist that much... he looks like he belongs in a death metal band.. and the makeup, the line down his chin, didnt manson used to do that??? he messed up sweet dreams in corpus too.. but everyone makes mistakes

[Pierce]

OK ONE , I got a lot of emails from Manson fans who thought MArk was ME at the beginging of this tour ... weeee he aint meeee

I met Mark in Orlando , cool guy ...

Guitar wise ??? He did O K , not bad but certainly not that great either ... If Manson called me Tomorrow and gave me the set list , I would do a better job in just 3 days practice , but I better get paid well ...

Now that I am endorsed by Schecter Guitars myself , I am also ready equipment wise as I believe my Schecter guitars have a much better sound and crunch for Mansons music than the Les Paul and Marshall amp his current guitarist seems to be "using"

I give Mark a 7 , Zim Zum a 3 , Daisy a 10 just on originality and 5 a 9.5 ....

Tho out of all those guitarist John 5 is by FAR the best and most versitile of the guitarist ever to play for Manson . FUnny how this is the second guitarist Manson has taken from ROb Halford , if anyone remembers John played for Halford in the band TWO which was produced by Mr Reznor also , anyone see a pattern to it all yet?

[demon5un]

no but seriously... I think Manson just saw something in him that we dont...but he's a great guitar player though...just maybe not used to play those songs...I dont think he was a huge Manson fan before he got in the band... anyways he makes me laugh when he does this move where he points the crowd with his guitar ...this is a very cheesy 80s metal move LOL

[Shangri-LIE]

I have always done the whole "gun" thing when i play along to my cd's or jam with my buds. Especially on Valentines Day. I don't
knwo if anyone noticed the palm mute in the chorus almost sounds like a gun being cocked.You can emulate that effect by
palm muting all 6 strings as opposed to the normally tabbed
top 3 strings.

Anyways, Peirce...you say you are endorsed? Who are you, and
why do we care. Just curios.... (don't take it as harsh as it sounds)

Plus I wouldn't even need to practice. I have played these songs since I was fucking 14, and I am going on 23 now.

But I like Mark, from what I have heard. He can only get better.
I just hope Manson gives him a chance.

[Necrophilip]

Bring him to Finland, and I'll rate him, for fucks sake.

[Pierce]

Originally posted by Shangri-LIE


Anyways, Peirce...you say you are endorsed? Who are you, and
why do we care. Just curios.... (don't take it as harsh as it sounds)

Plus I wouldn't even need to practice. I have played these songs since I was fucking 14, and I am going on 23 now.



I am , smelling like a rose that somebody gave me on my birthday death bed ....

Seriously , I wont get into all the who I am stuff , a lot of people here know and I dont wanna get on that rollor coaster between my supporters and my haters .

I'm just a guitar player =)

As for practicing , yeah , I havent played his songs in like forever so maybe ya got a leg up on me there but Im sure in 3 days Ild smoke Mansons current set list ... SInce I already have a long time rapport with Manson , Pogo , and Ginger I think the shows would become a little more violent on stage too with me there , Im just excitable like that , BUT it aint me up there , Im up somewhere else right now ...


Dont worry about sounding harsh ,

Wether it makes me cry or not ... hehee

Pierce

[Shangri-LIE]

Originally posted by Pierce
I am , smelling like a rose that somebody gave me on my birthday death bed ....

Seriously , I wont get into all the who I am stuff , a lot of people here know and I dont wanna get on that rollor coaster between my supporters and my haters .

I'm just a guitar player =)

As for practicing , yeah , I havent played his songs in like forever so maybe ya got a leg up on me there but Im sure in 3 days Ild smoke Mansons current set list ... SInce I already have a long time rapport with Manson , Pogo , and Ginger I think the shows would become a little more violent on stage too with me there , Im just excitable like that , BUT it aint me up there , Im up somewhere else right now ...


Dont worry about sounding harsh ,

Wether it makes me cry or not ... hehee

Pierce

PM me then, haha.

I already pm'd you once , and you never replied, douche.

j/k

Schecter is a good guitar. I am getting ready to buy a LTD ESP.
IT absolutley SHREDS.

Shangs.

[Padawan]

Originally posted by Shangri-LIE
It's no problem. You can always count on a smart guy like me.


-slap- lol =p u better fcuking imppress me boy with this tribute album

[Shangri-LIE]

Originally posted by Padawan
-slap- lol =p u better fcuking imppress me boy with this tribute album

lol, I will . Come January, you will hear the essence of my
brutality.

I am behind, I admitt, but I have still to save money for a good editing program.

be patient grasshopper.

[TimTim_Anarchy]

hes not cool. >:c

[SaintValentine]

I gave him an eight. He sounds fine to me.

[dreadz]

the new guitarist sounds good but then again there really isn't anything that hard for him to learn, but i do not like him he doesn't bring anything new to the band, every other guitarist has had their own look something unique about him. and whil on the subject of new people in the band , i know he isnt very new anymore but i dislike tim skold as well he just looks like he wants to be twiggz actually the new guitarist seems to be trying the twiggz look as well

[jet_blaqk]

I give him an 8... you can tell he was in a metal-ish band (Danzig). He doesnt really fit in the band or have stage presence (nothing unique). BUT he did do a very decent job in the Corpus show.

[jet_blaqk]

Originally posted by dreadz
and whil on the subject of new people in the band , i know he isnt very new anymore but i dislike tim skold as well he just looks like he wants to be twiggz actually the new guitarist seems to be trying the twiggz look as well


I think Skold was been doing the whole androgynous thing for quite a while now and if its twiggy's look, I think the whole band has done it at one point.

[distorted_view]

I hate to say it but I really did not like him to much.

[pseudophim]

Originally posted by dreadz
and whil on the subject of new people in the band , i know he isnt very new anymore but i dislike tim skold as well he just looks like he wants to be twiggz

Look at pictures of Tim from a long time ago, long before he joined ranks with Manson. He's always looked the same. He's not trying to be anyone.

I gave Mark an 8. I saw him in Vegas, and though I did hear him mess up a little, it wasn't anything that was distracting or ruined the overall amazing experience.

[Mr_Hollywood]

I give Mark a solid 6, simply because when i saw him, he was still a little rough around the edges. I saw him in San Francisco, and he did pretty good actually. Nothing at all that was apparently bad. The only noticeable part that i did notice was that he played the opening intro to lunchbox a bit fast. Manson had to motion him to slow down a tiny bit, but it was all gravy after that.

A thought just popped up after reading a few replies. I think maybe Manson might have chosen Mark because he wasn't a big Manson fan, so he would try to own up the whole damn stage. Seriously, I keep hearing all these people say that they know the guitar parts better than Mark, and if they were the guitarist they would think they would know everything and there ego would just grow and grow from an already huge one. We all know that Manson's ego is enormous, and if he had a guitarist that thought they knew it all, than maybe they would clash with the other band members and they wouldn't be able to get along. Creative conflicts might occur.

Or it could be the other way around, one of these Manson-whore guitarists might be too afraid and shy when it came time for them to get onstage and they might just totally fuck up there parts, and not really say much when it came to writing the songs. They might also be intimidated by the rest of the band.

Mark seems to be the tall, brooding metal head. He is subserviant, catches on quickly, and seems to have some decent skill. With a little more practice, he may actually gain a good stage presence. He seemed pretty lively during Antichrist Superstar at SF. I for one like the whore. He seems to ooze potential, and knowing him as a metal head just makes me think of a more metal influence on Manson's next album, which makes me tingle in pants.

PS. Do i write too much?

[TimothySkold6]

If you knew Manson before hand I think it would be easy to have stage presence. But yes, you're right in a way Mr Hollywood.

[pseudophim]

Yeah, actually, that's a really good point.

[transmutator]

he has no stage presence no diva/killer name he does nothing for me hes just a piece of meat with a guitar on him

[Mr_Hollywood]

Originally posted by transmutator
he has no stage presence no diva/killer name he does nothing for me hes just a piece of meat with a guitar on him

If i remember, the latest set of guitar players in manson don't have the diva/killer name. Tim Skold, John 5, Zim Zum, Mark Chausee. That thing died way back during Antichrist Superstar.

[priestkillcop]

You must not be able to play guitar well or know guitar well or be able to play Manson's song if you rated the new guitarist anything over 4. I saw them early november then eary december and he still didn't make too much of a improvement. Yeah he can play the songs but you got to think this is Manson and alot of people on this board probably could do a better job than the guy he hired on. If he's creative then that is a huge plus since he lacks in his ability atleast the two nights i saw them live. You shouldn't be able to easily pick out errors made by guitarist on a live performance.

[satanfan]

Originally posted by The Hermit
7-8. He really isn`t that bad as some people say.
you stupid?he messed up all the songs he played ot that S. bootleg

[Crowley]

I gave him 5-8. He did a good job, and the only mistake he made was in the beginning of Tainted Love. This was planned however and happened in the 3 shows I was at. Everytime he messed up in the same place and everytime Manson waved good-bye to him like he was fired or something. He wasn't AMAZING but he didn't FUCK IT UP either. HAIL SATAN.

[The Hermit]

Originally posted by satanfan
you stupid?he messed up all the songs he played ot that S. bootleg


What? Am i stupid for giving my own opinion? Who`s stupid, the guy giving his opinion, or the guy getting pissed because he doesn`t agree with the opinion? Look at the poll`s result, maybe you can start getting pissed against 50 people sharing the same opinion?


Some give him a 9/10 and you say I am stupid? Weak man...

[sicklystar]

Originally posted by epsilon
DIdnt skold stay motionless during ozzfest or something and do nothing? Ive never seen it but from what ive heard mark has more stage presence than skold had when he started out.

skold is just now getting comfortable with his stage presence. ive noticed that by attending the past 2 tours. when tim first started, he was kinda..there..then when he had a year under his belt, hes gotten a lot more daring, and animated on stage. i think the main problem people have with mark, is that he cant play the songs. ive stated this before, but when tim, or even J5 joined, they could play the songs to the standards of the fans, from what ive heard anyway..but mark isnt up to that level. why? no one knows, but it is probably due to lack of preperation.

[GunsOfBrixton]

I'd still give him a 7.5

[Bryer_Tuck]

The thing I don't really like about Mark, is he keeps screwing up, I’ve seen him in Toronto where he just destroyed(in the bad way) Sweet Dreams, and in other bootlegs I’ve seen and herd he just can't play them right, it almost like he didn't have to addition like the Zimmy of John5, it was just like, "Oh he played for Danzig, he’s in" but if there would have been some kind of addition then they could have found someone better

[Shangri-LIE]

I go home and I watch the live DVD's and then I plug up my gear.
Staring out into the city streets, rain trickling down my bay window, and I think. I could make these shows SO much better.

[Ramirez 425]

at the boston show he messed up sweet dreams solo and wah parts..lunchbox intro and didnt really hit the harmonics in rock is dead

[Zim_Zum2222]

I think i would give him an 8. He makes little mistakes but he is under alot of pressure coming from a smaller band into a massive band. And manson needs to treat him better as well. If he stopped giving him the finger so much maybe he would play all the songs perfect. And also from what i've seen he doesn't have bad stage pressence either.

[+CrazyBitch+]

Oh...well...I don't like this new one....
I think he still have to learn a lot.
Nevertheless he don't have to play an easy game

[Necrophilip]

It really did take me this long, but I do live in the outskirts of the world. He pulled the gig off well, apart from The Fight Song, which did sound a lil' bad. He got the image and whatnot, so I'd keep him so far.

[dave303]

i voted mid-range based on audios and videos on aag tour. i havent seen him live personally, so i cant give a fair view

[sLc7999]

the new guitar is good... but for a major band you have to be great..... his guitar tone doesnt match up to the album.. If your going to change it atleast make it for the better. He doesnt hit some of the notes right.

[deftones_chino]

Originally posted by Legato
He did a fine job both times I saw him, I rated him 9.

[Welovehate]

8/10

He's a Metalhead.
He doesn't care too much about songs cause he can play all of them with agility
He's got a good sound (wish it was more destructive)
He look good with corpsepainting
He makes metal cool moves like the sign of the horns

[Nil Three]

He can play the songs live, but his tone ruins them. I wish he would turn the fucking autowah off.

Doesn't really matter, at the end of the day he's just a hired gun.

[ElgantlyGrotesk]

I have no problem with him. John 5 will always be my favorite, but as a follow-up to him, I am satisfied. The beautiful people I really enjoyed. He made it sound heavier. If he remains the guitarist for the coming album, I won't be thrilled, but I won't be upset either.

[SuicideSnowman]

Before the show I said that I disliked him, even though I had no reason to. I was just so use to John 5. But as the set was played, I felt he filled in the role pretty well. My only complaint is his rendition of the Lunch Box solo. IMO no one can play it like Daisy could/probobly still can.

[MarchHare]

not really part of the discussion but how old is Chausee anyways?

[Antioch]

Well, gold middle - he isnt so bad afterall... i was so sad when J5 left so i couldnt accept a new guitarist - but when i think some more or watch him more and more i realise he is good.

[FIGHTMF]

Theres no 0 on this poll.

I hate cheesehead.

[Milles]

I saw the Rock AM Ring show they had on MTV awhile back, his playing was alright but it's not like Manson songs are highly challenging.

He needs to sort out his hair and make-up though