Manson A Rip Off Artist..... Or.....

[TimothySkold6]

Okay... Okay... Just before you think this thread is about bagging Manson, I just want to state it really isn't......

I was just watching "My Wife And Kids" actually caught the last couple minutes and they were showing Flava Flav rapping and he said something about him having his own gold teeth and everything, and we all know Manson is sporting that once again.

My question to you.... Is Manson a rip off artist or not????

I mean there's so many things he does in his vids and in his pics and in his stage show and everything that seems to be borrowed or even copied from other artists...

Is Manson ripping these people off or paying tribute... or just doing things that inspire him.

[the_freak_show]

Originally posted by TimothySkold6
Okay... Okay... Just before you think this thread is about bagging Manson, I just want to state it really isn't......

I was just watching "My Wife And Kids" actually caught the last couple minutes and they were showing Flava Flav rapping and he said something about him having his own gold teeth and everything, and we all know Manson is sporting that once again.

My question to you.... Is Manson a rip off artist or not????

I mean there's so many things he does in his vids and in his pics and in his stage show and everything that seems to be borrowed or even copied from other artists...

Is Manson ripping these people off or paying tribute... or just doing things that inspire him.

i really don't think that manson would rip ppl off and besides when musicians borrow stuff from another musician i think their suppose to have their permission first otherwise they could get in trouble (i think) and so yeah it might be alittle bit of both tribute and w/e inspires him

[Tigger]

Manson doesn't have or "sport" gold teeth.

[TimothySkold6]

Originally posted by Tigger
Manson doesn't have or "sport" gold teeth.

http://www.mansonusa.com/photo/live/04-05/7.jpg

Gold, silver, platnium... Same motherfucking thing

[SIL7ER]

Actually he was sporting them in the mOBSCENE video
by "them" I mean gold teeth

[adamsrib]

The gold teeth were meant to satiricize rappers. The same way that This Is The New Shit was the satirical, archetypal rap song. GAOG was all about the failed "art" of our day. It wasn't merely "ripping off." It had a purpose.

[Tigger]

The teeth Manson "sports" are platinum. They're parody, as eve said.

If you don't believe, just look when he first "sported" them.

[TimothySkold6]

Originally posted by Tigger
The teeth Manson "sports" are platinum. They're parody, as eve said.

If you don't believe, just look when he first "sported" them.

I know... I know... okay.... But let's look at the other things... Like the stilts and a lot of the imagery he uses seems to be derived from something or other.

I noticed this while scanning through TRNQT's site

[adamsrib]

Yes, Marilyn ripped the stilts off of Skinny Puppy unless he somehow thought of them on his own. Now why does it matter?

[Tigger]

Manson has (obviously) always been inspired by pop culture. So, naturally, you're going to see different aspects(even specifics) of pop culture within the realm of Marilyn Manson.

For instance, a lot of Mechanical Animals was like an ode to David Bowie.

I don't think Manson has every strived to be original, but I feel he's always been creative. That's more important.

[FIGHTMF]

When Manson uses something like that its on purpose, hes supposed to be borrowing them. Like some of his lyrics are cliches or are based on other peoples lyrics. he isn;t doing it because he cant think of stuff himself, its on purpose.

[TimothySkold6]

It's not just in the music or onstage shit... It's like I was searching TRNQT's site and I saw a lot of things that Manson not really ripped off or wahtever, but took ideas from....

Take these pics for example.

http://www.taboramaforum.com/uploads/post-1952-1101280214.jpg

compared to

http://www.taboramaforum.com/uploads/post-1952-1101280262.jpg


or


this

http://www.taboramaforum.com/uploads/post-1952-1101280283.jpg

compared to

http://www.taboramaforum.com/uploads/post-1952-1101280250.jpg


and finally

this

http://www.taboramaforum.com/uploads/post-1952-1101280230.jpg

compared to

http://www.taboramaforum.com/uploads/post-1952-1101280312.jpg



It's not that I'm ragging on Manson because I think he's brilliant and a genius and everything, but waht I'm trying to question is that "Is anything he does original"???

[Lily White]

"Those who do not want to imitate anything, produce nothing." - Dali

try to digest the above quote and maybe you'll be able to appreciate MM much more than you do as an artist, band. also I think Manson draws from what inspires him and tributes that by manifesting it as we see and experience it, his signature art.

[pyrox02]

Originally posted by Lily White
"Those who do not want to imitate anything, produce nothing." - Dali

Holds true in many instances. My dad told me about a guy he knew who went to school to play guitar. He could play any song you could think of. But he couldn't make his own music, because anything he made, to him, sounded too much like something of someone else's.

[Clair Obscur]

Originally posted by Lily White
"Those who do not want to imitate anything, produce nothing." - Dali

try to digest the above quote and maybe you'll be able to appreciate MM much more than you do as an artist, band. also I think Manson draws from what inspires him and tributes that by manifesting it as we see and experience it, his signature art.

Well said.

He uses his influences to create something of his own. That's what artists do.

If you people want to go through that way, everyone is a rip off of everyone.

[dave303]

everything has been done before, its so hard to be original. so hes probably sometimes ripping off people without realising it

[Libratenebris]

There is no such thing as an all original artist. And those who spend their lives trying to do something entirely original most often end up with results that sound:

1. Ridiculous
2. Unconvincing
3. Conceited

You are influenced by artists because their art worked. It appealed to you and to thousands of persons. And it worked because the art that they created was influenced by previous art that worked, as well. If you're doing something in the dark, just for the sake of being completely different, you're not an artist, you're a pseudointellectual that masturbates on your own ego.

Art is like science, in the way that it's constantly digesting itself. An artist, first of all, is an art lover. And it's his/her experience as such that will mold his/her identity as an artist. And in the end, it's what drives you, your personal traits, that condition what you do like, and what you feel repulsion for. Hence, the byproduct defines you.

I speak for myself, and I bet (independently of denial of the fact, that might arise) that many artists here have a good share of influence from Manson. To be honest, when I started creating, many of the stuff I did sounded like Manson. And people come to you, and they say "that's Manson". And it's true. It may sound good, but it's not mature.

In time, that changes, and what you thought to be your artistic identity changes way beyond you ever imagined it would change. Five years ago, I wouldn't imagine to stray from the "sound" I had.

And that's my opinion on this.

[Stalkz]

Ok uh
































What a fucking dumb thread. They're tooth plates. People wear them. Whether they happen to be niggers, or people making fun of niggers, is completely beside the point.


God what a fucking dumb thread.

[BlackRainbow]

Everything has been said (done)before, nothing left to say (do) anymore, its all the same, you can ask for it by name!
Hes said it himself, nothing original left!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[controlledchaos]

The highest form of flattery is imitation, and this is true in art as well. I think Manson imitates what has made an impression on him over the years. And we all do this. One example of this is how Manson has mirrored David Bowie. I think MA mirrors Ziggy Stardust. The song "Starman" is about an alien wanting to come and meet us but is afraid to do so because it will "blow our minds". His simple message is to:

Let the children lose it
Let the children use it
Let all the children boogie

Manson also wants to blow our minds with MA (even says this in the Dope Show). Omega wants the people to enjoy life to the fullest and color this awful "Great Big White World".

Manson has also been able to completely change personas successfully, just like Bowie. What's really strange about all of this, though, is the fact that astrologically Manson and Bowie are like twins. They are two of the closest people, astrologically, that i've ever seen in my 15 years of studying astrology. They both share the same Sun and Moon signs and the aspects between their charts are unbelievable. I'm writing a little article on this that I hope to finish one day.

[the_freak_show]

Originally posted by Tigger
Manson has (obviously) always been inspired by pop culture. So, naturally, you're going to see different aspects(even specifics) of pop culture within the realm of Marilyn Manson.

For instance, a lot of Mechanical Animals was like an ode to David Bowie.

I don't think Manson has every strived to be original, but I feel he's always been creative. That's more important.

david bowie is considered to be pop in this generation but from mm generation was considered to be rock

[Friday]

Originally posted by the_freak_show
i really don't think that manson would rip ppl off and besides when musicians borrow stuff from another musician i think their suppose to have their permission first otherwise they could get in trouble (i think) and so yeah it might be alittle bit of both tribute and w/e inspires him what they said ^

[TimothySkold6]

Originally posted by Stalkz

What a fucking dumb thread. They're tooth plates. People wear them. Whether they happen to be niggers, or people making fun of niggers, is completely beside the point.


God what a fucking dumb thread.

Yet, you took the time out to type up this pathetic, lame ass response and you also took the time out to read it.

I'm sorry for trying to make a decent thread in a forum that's full of "got this mp3?" "does anyone have this?" "lest we forget question" types of threads.... I thought maybe some more people would have conflicting opinions.




I understand that Manson takes a lot of from other artists and involves into his own music. I know that :D I'm a musician and everything, I do it sometimes in my music and sometimes in my art.

I love this guy and I think he's brought so much info to my head that I could of never imagined, but when I visited TRNQT's page...

This thread is mainly about the imagery I found on his site.

I mean I saw a lot of pictures that he somewaht imitated on that site. Is anything Manson does original??? I know originallity is something hard to find, but is having some things that you can call your own.

I mean the most original era of Manson is Mechanical Animals. That can honestly be all Manson and nothing more, whereas the other eras all take something from another thing.

[pyrox02]

Originally posted by TimothySkold6
I mean the most original era of Manson is Mechanical Animals. That can honestly be all Manson and nothing more, whereas the other eras all take something from another thing.

What? Are you smokin' dope? Just listen to "Fame" by Bowie, then listen to "The Dope Show". Listen to the music and think abut what each title means. I'm not trying to be condescending, please don't take it all the wrong way.

[spiralion]

Its from the absinthe niggers.

[TimothySkold6]

Originally posted by pyrox02
What? Are you smokin' dope? Just listen to "Fame" by Bowie, then listen to "The Dope Show". Listen to the music and think abut what each title means. I'm not trying to be condescending, please don't take it all the wrong way.

Not from a music stand point though :P

[FIGHTMF]

Oh FFS, Manson doesn't rip things off. He sometimes uses things from other places on purpose like those pictures, he diddn;t copy them, he wanted to look like the people in those photos in those photos. Marilyn Manson is the most origional artist out there today, I can't believe you people are labelling him as a rip off, thats what those media fools do when they make stupid Alice Cooper comments.

[j_absinthe]

the man rip offs with purpose. now why is this thread still around, im sure there are 7 other threads just like it by n00bs and dolts.

[Norsefire]

Originally posted by m_absinthe
the man rip offs with purpose. now why is this thread still around, im sure there are 7 other threads just like it by n00bs and dolts.

partly true
yer why is this thread still around, i changed my sig cause of whats being talked about on here, lol :P

[Ryanne 187]

So Manson has grillz, bitches, and hangs out with Eminem. All it means is that he managed.....around Tainted Love.....that he was amused by it, then liked it, and kept it. Hey, if he wants to be part rapper, I could care less. I like rap. GOOD rap.

R

[Norsefire]

Originally posted by Ryanne 187
So Manson has grillz, bitches, and hangs out with Eminem. All it means is that he managed.....around Tainted Love.....that he was amused by it, then liked it, and kept it. Hey, if he wants to be part rapper, I could care less. I like rap. GOOD rap.

R
manson had platinum teeth in the BP video because he wanted a grill, cause of some fasination with an automobile. He lost them though.

[Norsefire]

Originally posted by unidentified
and you know, there is nothing more annoying to me than a sig that doesn't match the avatar...why don't you fix that for me? lol i thought that my self but i was beeing lazzzzzzy lol, i shall go do it

[Norsefire]

Originally posted by unidentified
good boy/girl

lol its boy well actually man.

[no forgiveness]

who is original?
no one is completely original
heck, even the bible ripped off the greek myths of old and the pagan holidays

the point is this:

Artists don't create originality,
they interpret things in original ways.

i also think Manson means for us to find these things
and to investigate for ourselves, hell i wouldn't have even known who LaVey was if it wasn't for him,
i would haven't ever been interested in a man named Nietzsche
i would have probably never seen the original version of Alice and Wonderland

he opens all our eyes
and lets us see things we probably wouldn't have the pleasure of seeing
in our world of pop culture and fear.

[Stephen Bitch]

Inspiration borrows, genius steals.

[Tvindi]

Yes, imitation is one of the most important things in the world of art.

Once Manson said:
"Nothing is really ever new. It's reinvention of a kind, as everything is these days. Everything comes back eventually, but whatever trend is reinvented it's always with a different angle."
(This statement was written in book: Dissecting Marilyn Manson)

I also saw one interview, when Manson said, taht he still see himself as a journalist. Because he see things and then report it through his art to his fans or anybody who is interested in his art.

I would say that this is the most important thing in art. That the artist see something around him, and then his vision and his view on this thing report to others and express his feelings that he felt.

I think that Manson created the world with the realism of most of historical things. He tries to show some kind of reallity and how those things was ment in the time, when they we're invented. I don't know...

Maybe I'm wrong, but this is how I see him in this way.

Originally posted by Stephen Bitch
Inspiration borrows, genius steals.

Yes! This is the truth!

[guillaume]

Originally posted by TimothySkold6
Yet, you took the time out to type up this pathetic, lame ass response and you also took the time out to read it.

I'm sorry for trying to make a decent thread in a forum that's full of "got this mp3?" "does anyone have this?" "lest we forget question" types of threads.... I thought maybe some more people would have conflicting opinions.




I understand that Manson takes a lot of from other artists and involves into his own music. I know that :D I'm a musician and everything, I do it sometimes in my music and sometimes in my art.

I love this guy and I think he's brought so much info to my head that I could of never imagined, but when I visited TRNQT's page...

This thread is mainly about the imagery I found on his site.

I mean I saw a lot of pictures that he somewaht imitated on that site. Is anything Manson does original??? I know originallity is something hard to find, but is having some things that you can call your own.

I mean the most original era of Manson is Mechanical Animals. That can honestly be all Manson and nothing more, whereas the other eras all take something from another thing.



I love what Manson does but I think he has never tried nor cared to be original at all...

and actually this repetition of certain images are one of the most imprtant things in his art...

You can relate the ACSS imaginery to Pink Floyd`s The Wall as you can relate MA to Bowie's Ziggy Stardust...

To me, the most "original" of Manson`s works are POAAF and Holy Wood...


but then again, hè`s not about originality... I think he`s somehow trying to take us to discover many things about human culture, from Alchemy to Dadaism and that`s just great...

[930yearoldadam]

Everyone is influenced by someone or something. There is no such thing as original.

[Sherry]

Manson has made no secret of people and ideas that have influenced him, therefore putting himself in the clear of ripping anyone off. (Mechanical Animals & David Bowie as Ziggy Stardust, for example)

Now for the 'grill' that Manson started sporting around the time he remade Tainted Love .... I think they're platinum. He seems like he'd be way beyond the gold craze of the 90's.

[GeminiBoy]

mansons not ripping off anyone, he's just throwing in more character...its kinda like when he made fun of rappers in the tainted love video, he's been sporting a grill since then but if anything its to show that rappers arent the only ones who can make it cool. just my 2 cents

[guillaume]

Originally posted by Sherry
Manson has made no secret of people and ideas that have influenced him, therefore putting himself in the clear of ripping anyone off. (Mechanical Animals & David Bowie as Ziggy Stardust, for example)

Now for the 'grill' that Manson started sporting around the time he remade Tainted Love .... I think they're platinum. He seems like he'd be way beyond the gold craze of the 90's.


I agree.


I think that there are many new Manson fans who watch too much MTV but are not aware that there where artistic movements such as Dadaism or Surrealism way before they were even born...

In other words, they talk about lacking of originality because of their ignorance.

[__X_twisted_sin]

Who fucking cares what kind of teeth he has. And also.. he is not fucking ripping people off, when musicians cover other songs, they ask the person first. Some of the covers Manson did are awesome.

[Ryanne 187]

And sanctioned by the other bands, sometimes with personal blessing.

OH, and BTW, can we refrain from using the word "N*****" please. It shows not only a complete lack of class but makes you look like a complete asshole redneck. Use your vocabulary. Thats an awful word. And really quite nasty. Id rather you used the word cunt.

R

[Alexander]

Originally posted by Tigger
The teeth Manson "sports" are platinum. They're parody, as eve said.

If you don't believe, just look when he first "sported" them.

Besides, he looks cooler with those teeth than anyone else could possible do.

[Hellhammer]

Manson didn't rip anyone look he uesd some of anton lavey's stuff in poaaf only because he is inspired by him

[KutestKittyKat]

"Those who do not want to imitate anything, produce nothing." - Dali


I never saw Pink Floyd "The Wall" complete and then I must say that Manson must have been like a HUGE fan. The last part is totally an inspiration for Antichrist Superstar. They even refer to the character Pink in some point as "Worm", as in "Wormboy."

I don't know if I should call it a ripoff, but I guess it was just the creative process that most artists go through, eventually they get original.