Which MM album will matter most?

[adamsrib]

In your opinion, which of Marilyn's albums will leave the biggest mark upon our culture? Which one will have the biggest effect on the future long after Marilyn is done making music? I think that Holy Wood has done a good job encapsulating the political climate, as well as America's attitude towards violence at this point in history. For the most part, Holy Wood probably fell upon deaf ears. But one day, it may be considered to be brilliant by historians.

[SIL7ER]

I was about to say the same holy wood is an underated stroke of genius.

[PlatinumOrgy]

the mainstream media will always pick antichrist superstar

[adamsrib]

Marilyn will be remembered for Antichrist Superstar, it's true. But which album do you think will actually have a genuine and lasting impact on our culture?

[Clair Obscur]

Originally posted by PlatinumOrgy
the mainstream media will always pick antichrist superstar

Exactly.

[adamsrib]

Guys, I'm not asking what he'll be most remembered for. I'm asking which album will actually have a genuine and lasting impact on our culture.

[Cougo]

None of them will.

[FIGHTMF]

Antichrist Superstar without a doubt.

[PlatinumOrgy]

lol...

well, i will have to say antichrist supahfly...

lots of bands get compared to manson, the gothy type at least.

Whatever is mainstream is what is going to impact our culture more, even if other albums were far better more complex. It all comes to what the mainstream media saids. Not that I agree w/ that. Just saying, don't hate me please.....

[TimothySkold6]

Antichrist Superstar.

Because it was his 2nd full length album that came out of nowhere to fucking rawk america to the core.

Also, it was the first rock album to debut no. 1 in the 90's

Another thing is..... People will always relate Manson as the Antichrist Superstar.... Even 8 years later :p

[PlatinumOrgy]

Originally posted by TimothySkold6
Antichrist Superstar.

Because it was his 2nd full length album that came out of nowhere to fucking rawk america to the core.

Also, it was the first rock album to debut no. 1 in the 90's

Another thing is..... People will always relate Manson as the Antichrist Superstar.... Even 8 years later :p

didn't ACSS only got to #3 on the charts?

[TimothySkold6]

Originally posted by PlatinumOrgy
didn't ACSS only got to #3 on the charts?

I'm pretty sure it was Number 1, I think MA or HW debuted at number 3.... Or even GAOG

[adamsrib]

In Marilyn's Autobiography, he said that it went to number three. I remember because he used it to allude to the triptych.

[jakalope]

Depends on the weather.

[crack_nation]

I'm pretty sure Holywood and GAOG debuted at #1, didn't pay attention to sales figures when Mechanical Animals came out.

Personally Mechanical Animals will be the album that matters most to me personally, but mainstream will be the album that shocked the most, and that was Antichrist Superstar.

[mechanim]

GAOG #1
Holy Wood was #13
Mechanical Animals #1
Antichrist Superstar #3

biggest mark on culture? hmm....

Mechanical Animals

[gesh]

Originally posted by mechanim
GAOG #1
Holy Wood was #13
Mechanical Animals #1
Antichrist Superstar #3

biggest mark on culture? hmm....

Mechanical Animals
i think that's because anti chrsit gor manson's name out there first

[angelsephiroth]

Originally posted by mechanim
GAOG #1
Holy Wood was #13
Mechanical Animals #1
Antichrist Superstar #3

biggest mark on culture? hmm....

Mechanical Animals

I would say Mechanical Animals as well.

[crack_nation]

You can't use first week opening numbers to dictate influences, long term, Antichrist Superstar has sold more units.

If you went by first week, it would be saying Linkin Park are non influential. When I saw them they were playing a club the size of a living room when the album first came out, and by the end of the promotion of that album they were playing arena's and stadiums.

[andrewsulli]

definitly mechanical animals, cuzz people allways talk about how he got these breast inplants and how he doesnt have a penis or a cunt, witch is just bullshit... so i would definitly say mechanical animals

[koolboee cdmo87]

Antichrist Superstar peaked at #3. Mechanical Animals debuted at #1 with impressive sales... The Golden Age of Grotesque also debuted at #1, but with far less sales (for some reason, there was a very low sales period in the spring of '03). Holy Wood was a flounder, its peak was at an embarrassing #13.

I think Mechanical Animals will matter the most. It's the most about human feelings, something that will always be relevant to write about. Holy Wood is last, it will date fast.

As for MM being remembered... Antichrist Superstar will always be his trademark album, "The Dope Show" his trademark image (w/ the whole boobs thing).

[adamsrib]

It sounds fairly dated now.

[satanfan]

Originally posted by adamsrib
In your opinion, which of Marilyn's albums will leave the biggest mark upon our culture? Which one will have the biggest effect on the future long after Marilyn is done making music? I think that Holy Wood has done a good job encapsulating the political climate, as well as America's attitude towards violence at this point in history. For the most part, Holy Wood probably fell upon deaf ears. But one day, it may be considered to be brilliant by historians.
haha.manson got nothing to do with history.it is music for teenagers after all.look reality.he is doing all this for money and we all know this:)

[follow_darkness]

Originally posted by satanfan
haha.manson got nothing to do with history.it is music for teenagers after all.look reality.he is doing all this for money and we all know this:)

He may do this for money... but the look on his face when he preforms, it looks as if he does it for the fans. I have been right next to the stage at manson shows he can't fake the looks on his face!

[AzN_F15H]

mechanical animals

[Necrophilip]

I don't remember Holy Wood having any impact on anything whatsoever. Except for maybe the fans.

Antichrist Svperstar. BECAUSE the mainstream media picks it then, and picked it 8 years ago.

[TRNQT]

Manson is far too multi-dimensional to be summed up with one album. He's a demagogue with his whole body of work to back him up.

But to me on a personal level Holy Wood and The Golden Age Of Grotesque are very special to me.

[hYdrAAppLe]

The two sides of the coin i think, Antichrist Superstar and Mechanical Animals. The antithesis.

[Shangri-LIE]

I think they are all integral. I would have to vote for
Mechanical Animals. Even though it isn't my favorite.
I think it is however the most creative.

[GunsOfBrixton]

Antichrist Superstar is what made Marilyn Manson, musically, thematically, culturally, etc. An impact that deep only happens once, and it already happened.

[GunsOfBrixton]

Originally posted by adamsrib
In your opinion, which of Marilyn's albums will leave the biggest mark upon our culture? Which one will have the biggest effect on the future long after Marilyn is done making music? I think that Holy Wood has done a good job encapsulating the political climate, as well as America's attitude towards violence at this point in history. For the most part, Holy Wood probably fell upon deaf ears. But one day, it may be considered to be brilliant by historians.

You know, I think The GOAG is by far the most inventive, musically challenging and nothing short of genius work he's ever put out. I had heard nothing of it until I bought it when it was released, and my first words were "what the fuck?" I really didn't know how to take it. Doppleherz added fuel to the fire. I just think that album really made Marilyn Manson a true, visionary artist. The groundwork was already laid for MA and HW after ACS, not to take fire away from those albums, but he took the logical avenue for each. I had no idea what to expect with The GOAG, and found it just absolutely remarkable. I love the vocal deliveries, lyrics, themes, music. Everything. Where to go now is the big question, and I look forward to it, but I am really nervous since Mark seems to be sticking around.

[MindRelapse]

Smells Like Children

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[Shangri-LIE]

Originally posted by MindRelapse
Smells Like Children

http://forums.horrorcore.com/forums/images/smilies/sneaking.gif

Are you just saying that to be different?

I think Mechanical Animals is so substantial because it
was the exact antithesis of what people expected after
Anti-Christ Superstar. They showed their flexibility, and
according to MY observations. Anti - Christ Superstar was
more commercially heralded than Mechanical Animals. It
was more shocking, and more provacative than the 1st
beast.

[MindRelapse]

Originally posted by Shangri-LIE
Are you just saying that to be different?



I was saying that to be funny. Oh well.

Personally I think it'll be Antichrist Superstar though I think MA is the superior record. Antichrist brought him to the forefront of everything he went through. He had alot of controversy surrounding him during the MA era (especially after Columbine) but it was all sparked from ACS. When Columbine happened, and news reporters quoted Manson songs, dissecting them and looking for any "hidden messages", they all chose ACS songs. During the MA era, when Manson was far beyond pushing the Christians' buttons (for the most part at least), people were still protesting him over "satanic messages" that were found in ACS. ACS will be the album people care about the most when remembering Manson, at least through mainstream outlets, but everyone has their favorite. What sparked interest in him though was ACS, and there's no denying that in 10 years, when Manson's name is brought up, a majority of people will reflect back upon the ACS era.

What will matter most to me personally is MA though.

[Shangri-LIE]

Originally posted by MindRelapse
I was saying that to be funny. Oh well.

It is cool. It wouldn't suprise me around here if it were
just meant to stick out like a sore thumb . Just to be
in opposition thinking it will make you some kind of
"Rebel or something . lol

But I was just asking to get a response, I got one.
So that is all that matters. But in context of the most
notorious record. It is ACS, whih I think is a great album,
but it is very overrated on an artistic level.

[MindRelapse]

Originally posted by Shangri-LIE
It is cool. It wouldn't suprise me around here if it were
just meant to stick out like a sore thumb . Just to be
in opposition thinking it will make you some kind of
"Rebel or something . lol

But I was just asking to get a response, I got one.
So that is all that matters. But in context of the most
notorious record. It is ACS, whih I think is a great album,
but it is very overrated on an artistic level.

Oh it's all good. I know how it gets around message boards.

I think ACS is artistic in it's own way but it's still not much. I love the record however. MA to me made me respect Manson more because he went against what basically everyone wanted from him (another ACS) and stayed true to himself as an artist. Sad that no one outside of his fan base saw the record as anything more than being the album where Manson had breasts. That record deserved alot more.

[Shangri-LIE]

MA to me made me respect Manson more because he went against what basically everyone wanted from him (another ACS) and stayed true to himself as an artist.

Exactly what I was getting at. ACS is a powerful record, and
will be a scar that will be hard for people to erase from the
90's in music, and in general.

[kundun5]

GAOG would be the most influential and profound album IMO.

[holy_wood_33]

Originally posted by GunsOfBrixton
Antichrist Superstar is what made Marilyn Manson, musically, thematically, culturally, etc. An impact that deep only happens once, and it already happened.

true...and besides with a name like ACSS you will be remembered

[TERROJA]

Which drop of rain is the wettest? Which grain of sand is the hottest? Which tree has the most leaves?

[dave303]

mechanical animals is the best album, but antichrist superstar will be looked on in the future, in the ways people look back now on that as an album which caused him 2 be...evil GAOG will leave no mark........

[graham]

i doubt anyone will really remember manson except as "the guy who got his ribs removed to suck his own dick." which is how everyone at my school remembers him. but if people remember him it will be antichrist.

[DOit4theBLOOD]

antichrist superstar will leave a big mark in EVERYONES mind just because of the title... even people who have never heard of him have probably heard of the CD antichrist superstar
^_* i may be hurt for saying that, that is his most remembered CD because it is not the best definatly... but i am not talking best CD

[Hellhammer]

Holywood

[neurotic]

like some others have said, i agree with saying mechanical animals and ACSS

[monkeyslappr]

I think that Holy Wood is the most relevant and least dated piece of work that he's ever put out. The messages in Holy Wood will still be accurate 100 years from now.

[GunsOfBrixton]

First off, Holy Wood didn't fall on deaf ears, it fell right in the porcelain bowl amongst its fecal kin, precisely where it belongs.

[kay]

Hmm... Lyric wise i'd say Holy Wood - deffo makes the most impact (to me anyway). Music wise...oh god, either MA or ACSS, psh.

[Mr.Pornostar]

Holywood, for sure.
I lose my mind when listening to it.

[iwtv]

Originally posted by dandiprat_me
I completely agree that people are going to remember ACSS more because it was his mainstream breakthrough album but as its been said before


Holywood should've made more of an impact. people just don't want to listen.
/.

Yep. Holywood was his best album to date. And I can't believe I'm going to (sort of) agree with monkeyslappr, but the content/themes of HW are probably going to remain relavent more than anything else he has done, although Mechanical Animals is also note worthy and probably will be most remembered.

[Mr.Pornostar]

Yes, MA and AS are also very wise.... and touching... It's almost impossible to choose between these great albums.

AS is the album most known by publicity and also very highly-conceptual, but kinda glammy... But so nice.

MA is really-really touching and sad and... good. Can cast tears from your eyes.

Hollywood.. is a masterpiece. With a topic like a Kennedy's murder, it became the very mouth of a rebel and a strange side of religion and something that cannot stop until it stops.

It's impossible to choose between these three.

What I can say is that American Family and Children and GAOG are dull, IMHO, and one single live concert of Last Tour on Earth is worthy more than these albums.

Also when I say MA or AS I consider the LTOE versions of these songs, which are IMHO much better than original ones.

[monkeyslappr]

Originally posted by iwtv
I can't believe I'm going to (sort of) agree with monkeyslappr,

You really should agree with me more often, seeing as how I'm always right :P

[iwtv]

Originally posted by monkeyslappr
You really should agree with me more often, seeing as how I'm always right :P

I'm too sick right now to be mean so...lol

[anticrum]

well, whenever Manson is brought up around my friends, the very first thing out of their mouth, in a trying-to-be creepy voice is "the beautiful people, the beautiful people DUNUNUN" It seems to be what everyone remembers most, at least in my experience, along with the rumours of ribs being removed and sacrificing puppies... ACSS is probably the album that will matter the most, thats when his face was everywhere, every magazine cover, parents hated him, politicians and whole religious communities. Might not be his best album, but is definately what made the biggest mark for him I think.. "the beautiful people, the beautiful people, DUNUNUN"

[GunsOfBrixton]

Originally posted by anticrum
well, whenever Manson is brought up around my friends, the very first thing out of their mouth, in a trying-to-be creepy voice is "the beautiful people, the beautiful people DUNUNUN" It seems to be what everyone remembers most, at least in my experience, along with the rumours of ribs being removed and sacrificing puppies... ACSS is probably the album that will matter the most, thats when his face was everywhere, every magazine cover, parents hated him, politicians and whole religious communities. Might not be his best album, but is definately what made the biggest mark for him I think.. "the beautiful people, the beautiful people, DUNUNUN"


Manson was on a fucking warpath during ACS, and he truly defined what it takes to be a incendiary frontman. Through no fault of his own, his youth escapes him, but the passion and conviction that surrounded him during ACS has been absent for a long, long time and I don't think he'll ever reclaim that. I'm not asking for the antics of the past, I just miss the passion that he used to convey. If you didn't pay attention to him, he'd make god damn sure you knew he was for real and he had something relevant to say. The passion absence sticks out like a Herpes lesion on a penis.

[Dirtyminded]

Whilst I don't think ACSS was even close to being his best album, I have to agree with previously posted comments about it being the most shocking. People will always remember what shocks them. ACSS thrusted him into the spotlight in many ways. I do think Holywood is more significant to this topic however. The messages in Holywood are alot more realistic to the times it lives in.

EDIT: Also, good thread adamsrib

[RabidNelson]

Of course, ACSS will matter the most in terms of the cultural landscape.

However, outside of just albums, I think Manson's interview in "Bowling for Columbine" left a rather huge impression on a lot of people about Manson. So many people were like "omfg manson doesn't just eat babies, he THINKS too!?@?"

[maugan_ra_3rd]

Lest we Forget....




... Tainted Love... and...

















































Personally, and from an interpretive point of view; Mechanical Animals. But, Antichrist Superstar was pretty clearly the big watershed - people always, and only, remember the first of anything.

[Reaper]

Antichrist Superstar. Best songs, best album, best era - best everything. That thing can change your life.

[painsindicate]

The name Marilyn Manson and Antichrist Superstar have become synonymous in the media.

[neo101]

Mechanical Animals.

REMEMBER KIDS!

This was released less than 2 years after the ANTICHRIST SUPERSTAR record that put fear back into the hearts of christians.

It was a dramatic change that lost many, many fans, and only kept the remaining loyal fans.

This is the record the world will remember that, after all is said and done, Manson is just a rock 'n' roll superstar, not a literal devil-persona.

[mr. grotesque]

with holy wood, the holy wood novel, and holy mountain all together, I think those three will combine into something huge in the future.

Not so much with Mechanical Animals because they wont really ever understand it, because they're to naive.

GAOG, come on?

ACSS had done a good job, but im still rooting for the holy trio.

[Sherry]

Originally posted by SIL7ER
I was about to say the same holy wood is an underated stroke of genius.
Yes, it really is.
Adamsrib: I'm a huge fan and I can see validity and importance of every album on our culture(s), however, I also think that for people that aren't necessarily fans, that depends on a couple of factors. First of all, the cycle of popular music plays a role. You know how the top 40 shit seems to go in cycles? One year, it's all about hip hop or R&B and another year it's all about so called rock bands like Nickelback (however you spell it). The second factor that plays an important role is current events or politics, at least in America. I'll use Green Day as an example because it's so obvious: They were huge around the 2004 election because they challenged a few right wing ideas, yet didn't go overboard enough to be banned from public viewing of videos or radio play. (You know...how Trent got screwed. That's a whole other story).

Because of these reasons, I'd say that Portrait of An American Family was the most important, not as far as record sales but as far as impact. I just remember that back then, Manson was probably the most feared and hated musician by the general public because they actually thought he was promoting and supporting eating cake while practicing sodomy and was encouraging fathers to molest their daughters.

Do you think these things matter, for what you're asking about, or not?

[Coma Alpha]

Antichrist Svperstar will be what he's mainly remembered for
Boobsuit Manson is gonna be the image stuck in everyone's minds
Golden Age or the new one is gonne be the album that the pop culture remembers

It's all there in black and white

[RabidNelson]

Originally posted by mr. grotesque
with holy wood, the holy wood novel, and holy mountain all together, I think those three will combine into something huge in the future.


Just so we're clear on something, Manson had no involvement whatsoever in the creation of the movie "Holy Mountain". He was just a kid when it was made. Perhaps you're thinking "Phantasmagoria"?

[iamthehydra]

As anyone remember ozzy with his bat , they will remember manson related to columbine....i think. Sadly.

[hoffman666]

I believe Holywood should have the most lasting impact, but really, it's going to be antichrist superstar.

[villetapani]

Holy wood is the best.

[Ant|P0pe]

Mechanical Animals or Holy Wood. Those albums matters most of all of his albums.

[Raven333]

the antichrist superstar album for the beautiful people and because everyone knows him by the antichrist. the only other album he would be known for would be mechanical animals for the dope show and for his plastic tits.

[ACSuperstar]

Originally posted by adamsrib
Guys, I'm not asking what he'll be most remembered for. I'm asking which album will actually have a genuine and lasting impact on our culture.

well, fuck you're contradicting yourself. You say Holy Wood is that album, but it never was or will be. Obviously Antichrist Superstar is the only one with 'a genuine and lasting impace on our culture.'

Antichrist Superstar is what MM is known for, and it HAS impacted culture- unlike Holy Wood

[Alexander]

ACSS, of course. A cultural impact of individualism doctrine.

[incostantemoto]

The ONLY album Manson released that TRULY affected the culture outside of Manson fans was ACSS.

MA ended up creating a lot of buzz, but that was mainly due to the rollover and change from ACSS. So, still, ACSS is the only album to TRULY affect American culture. He was talked about and he was feared during those days. Culture took noticed and changed because of that.. it became "cool" to be goth 'cause so many kids were doing it.

No other Manson album had such an impact on the actual culture outside of Manson fans.

Repetition is the only way to get to some of you people.. heh.

[lindz]

^ Completely right.. Outside Of the Manson Community, always antichrist.

You should be asking What album will have a lasting effect with in the community.

[general_xue]

Originally posted by PlatinumOrgy
the gothy type at least.


"gothic", not "gothy"

[Vallerry]

Manson's last album.