hold the s

[ryan3780]

I've got an f-antasy and ive got cocaine too and the only thing thats missing is a bitch like you?

[The King]

I've got an F and a C and I've got a K too.

[ryan3780]

yeah? I knew that.....watch the video and think about what I typed........

[The King]

I know what you're trying to get at, but you should've posted it in this section! :)

[ryan3780]

yeah....I realized that moments later, thanks for moving it sir.

[TimothySkold6]

I don't get this.... I don't get it at all....

[ryan3780]

asia is the lady in white.....the lady in white=cocaine, she disappears in the video and becomes tim,mansons relationship with rose was all based on coked up sex

[TimothySkold6]

Originally posted by ryan3780
asia is the lady in white.....the lady in white=cocaine, she disappears in the video and becomes tim,mansons relationship with rose was all based on coked up sex

Well Manson was saying this video was very auto-biographical. I don't think it was just based on coked up sex, because if it was Manson would of never got engaged to her.

But waht does Asia turning into Tim signify

[ryan3780]

the only thing thats missing is a bitch like you, why does asia turn into tim? and even then he continues to beat off, and what does the milk symbolize, it is white, and the "snow white" smile, why all of the "white" references? I think that this song is a big reference to cocaine

[ryan3780]

I personally thought that manson had quit doing cocaine, he talked so much shit about it making him restless. This song seems like he is singing about his addiction to coke. Maybe he doesnt really need it physically, but creatively. Because he supposedly doesnt have an "addictive personality" .You can't just write 3 CDs all coked up and then try writing another CD on a different drug as a substitute and expect it to be just as good.

[The King]

"Cocaine's a helluva drug."
-Rick James

R.I.P.















But I can sorta see your interpretation!

[TimothySkold6]

Could possibly mean that cocaine helped fuck up his relationship with Rose. I mean the references to Rose are uncanny. The whole snow white smile thing and "you infected me to diamonds I took all your shit" Well when they met Manson started going glam and there were rumors that Rose had a very bad temper and took it out on Manson.

[TimothySkold6]

Waht the hell does that have to do with this topic?

[kundun5]

Originally posted by TimothySkold6
Waht the hell does that have to do with this topic? lol

[TimothySkold6]

Waht the hell?!?!?! He or someone deleted the post this guy made

[Nosferatu]

Originally posted by TimothySkold6
Could possibly mean that cocaine helped fuck up his relationship with Rose. I mean the references to Rose are uncanny. The whole snow white smile thing and "you infected me to diamonds I took all your shit" Well when they met Manson started going glam and there were rumors that Rose had a very bad temper and took it out on Manson.
it's "took diamonds", not "to diamonds", but I also hear "to diamonds" when I listen to that song.

Hey! "Snow White", guess what track number it is? 7! as in 7 dwarfs!

[TimothySkold6]

I never noticed that.... Took diamonds could be a reference to the proposal to Rose McGowan and saying that she helped with the dimise of the relationship :dunno:

[Nosferatu]

Originally posted by TimothySkold6
I never noticed that.... Took diamonds could be a reference to the proposal to Rose McGowan and saying that she helped with the dimise of the relationship :dunno:
I wouldn't have known it was "took" if I didn't read the lyrics. I didn't read them at first, but then (obviously) I did.

[TimothySkold6]

I never would of know unless you said something, I then looked at the lyrics sheet and was shown the right way. It sounds like "to diamonds", I'll listen to it a lot tonight though to figure out.


I really wanna interpret this video and song, but I think I'm gonna wait a while before I do so I have more information about it.

[Eye_of_Isis]

Originally posted by ryan3780
the only thing thats missing is a bitch like you, why does asia turn into tim? and even then he continues to beat off, and what does the milk symbolize, it is white, and the "snow white" smile, why all of the "white" references? I think that this song is a big reference to cocaine


Well, if you could screw your drug-infested head back into place maybe you'd realize that white symbolizes innocence and purity...... the most evident of symbology!

[brad.jaeger]

I must admit, I grow tired of the legions of fans that think just about everything of Manson's are a metaphor for drugs. In case you haven't realized, even drug related words don't relate to drugs. Start thinking outside the box, and realize that Manson has the ability to write lyrics about things completley unrelated to drugs. Sheesh.

[Eye_of_Isis]

Personally I think the song attempts to highlight the irony of the state of his previous demons. Quite beautiful actually. I also believe the cocaine in the video is an illustration of that irony- not the main point. Geez people, stop exhausting the drug theme- Manson is above that sort of nonsense in his lyrics!

[brad.jaeger]

Originally posted by TimothySkold6
I never would of know unless you said something, I then looked at the lyrics sheet and was shown the right way. It sounds like "to diamonds", I'll listen to it a lot tonight though to figure out.


I really wanna interpret this video and song, but I think I'm gonna wait a while before I do so I have more information about it.

Oh goodie.
We'll be waiting.

[Boy_In_A_Dress]

blah blah

[TERROJA]

Originally posted by BlakeStackhouse
ryan started off this post with an interesting observation and then everyone started to try to analyze manson again and it blew straight to hell.

My perception of events is slightly different. Ryan posted some moronic nonsensical shit which was followed by more moronic nonsensical shit.

Hey, aren't you the guy that posted those fake lyrics for Obsequy a while back?

[TERROJA]

Originally posted by LordBoogeyman
Can we seriously try to stay on the topic of why Asia turns into Tim? It's something I'd really like to discuss but that is never really brought up for too long. He's essentially masturbating to his bass player/male friend, I think we should look at that, not at things like "it sounds like 'to diamonds.'

He was trying to be shocking. The end. Next!

[Polo]

Rock - is deader than dead
Shock - is all in your head.

i'd like to have given a considered and thoughtful response to the original poster but i didn't understand the question.

so i just babbled instead.

Is the song "(s)AINT" about Rose McGowan? Everyone will certainly make that assumption.

MM: [Laughs] Some people will definitely assume that, yes. I think there are pieces and shards of a lot of relationships in that song. It's really more about me. I will no longer define myself by other people's views of perfection. There have been a lot of people in my life; she doesn't deserve all the credit. And that song isn't exclusively about women, either. It's also about men I've come into contact with.

[bjornwad]

"I will no longer define myself by other people's views of perfection." -Marilyn
You wanted [me to be your kind of] perfekt
You['ve] got your [own definition of] perfekt
But now I'm too perfekt [by MY definition] for someone like you
I was a dandy in your ghetto with
A snow white smile and you'll
Never be as perfekt [by my definition] whatever you do *

*My insertions in brackets

Manson could've spelled her form as "perfect" and his form as "perfekt," but maybe that'd be too obvious.

[bjornwad]

I just watched s(Aint) again, this time counting the number of times a scene of pleasure or pain was shown.
I came up with 25 pleasure scenes and 12 pain scenes (were pleasure or pain is being invoked), so that's roughly twice as much pleasure as pain going on. I don't know what this means or why I'm doing this.

[N51]

Anyone recognise the guys who were licking M's neck?

One thing that sticks out about that vid is the look of pleasure on Tim's face as Manson is beating off.

[the_freak_show]

Originally posted by The King
I've got an F and a C and I've got a K too.

where's the U?

[AnjoKabalistico]

Originally posted by N51
Anyone recognise the guys who were licking M's neck?


The guy with a blond wig is Gidget Gein. I'm not sure who the other one is.

[OmegaExx]

this is getting deep...i love the video but i thought of the white as cocaine as well...and yes cocaine IS a helluva drug

[The King]

Really what the hell, where did those guys posts go??

[TimothySkold6]

Originally posted by The King
Really what the hell, where did those guys posts go??

waht guys?

[The King]

that ryan3780 dude, I am pretty sure he had a long drawn out description of what he was talking about, i remember that much, cuz I do remember replying I kinda understood what he was saying

[bjornwad]

I was a Dandy in your ghetto
with a Snow White smile.

here's "Snow White" smiling...
http://www.everypicture.com/shop/books/ed57de7d739cca1a312b616c9cb00b8e/snow-white-1.jpg

here's a "white smile"
http://www.britewhite.com/images/smile_border2.jpg

here's cocaine...
http://www.gothamist.com/attachments/garth/2005_08_20_cocaine_razor.jpg

what does Manson mean, "I was a Dandy in your ghetto with a Snow White smile?" any thoughts?

[bjornwad]

oh, I forgot...
http://home.business.utah.edu/mktrwb/snow%20white.jpg

:P

[crackerstein]

Originally posted by bjornwad
oh, I forgot...
http://home.business.utah.edu/mktrwb/snow%20white.jpg

:P


lol

[iwtv]

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by Polo: Is the song "(s)AINT" about Rose McGowan? Everyone will certainly make that assumption.

MM: [Laughs] Some people will definitely assume that, yes. I think there are pieces and shards of a lot of relationships in that song. It's really more about me. I will no longer define myself by other people's views of perfection. There have been a lot of people in my life; she doesn't deserve all the credit. And that song isn't exclusively about women, either. It's also about men I've come into contact with.

Good thread! Anyone know where this quote/interview came from?

what does Manson mean, "I'm a Dandy in a ghetto with a Snow White smile?" any thoughts?

Well here's part of wiki's definition of dandy: "Some dandies, especially in Britain in the late 18th and 19th century, often strove to affect aristocratic values *even though many came from common backgrounds*—thus a dandy could be considered a kind of snob."

It's a start anyway. Btw, aren't the lyrics "I *was* a Dandy in *your* ghetto?

[j_absinthe]

i'd pay attention if this wasn't such an unbelievably pretentious thread.

[Welovehate]

It could be about Trent Reznor too for example.
You infected me with diamonds I took all your shit:
Trent was yet famous in the downward spiral period,he was a dirty rockstar and then Manson became too.
What's my name,what's my name?;You wanna pefekt you got your perfekt but I'm something to perfekt for you
This sound as a "fuck you,I am more famous than you so you can write a millions of songs like Starfuckers,but I am here now even if you wanted to create the perfect rockstar,you made the monster but now I live with my own mind.
Just interpretations...

[TheBurk]

Originally posted by Welovehate
It could be about Trent Reznor too for example.
You infected me with diamonds I took all your shit:
Trent was yet famous in the downward spiral period,he was a dirty rockstar and then Manson became too.
What's my name,what's my name?;You wanna pefekt you got your perfekt but I'm something to perfekt for you
This sound as a "fuck you,I am more famous than you so you can write a millions of songs like Starfuckers,but I am here now even if you wanted to create the perfect rockstar,you made the monster but now I live with my own mind.
Just interpretations...

or twiggy. we all know about manson and twiggys break up, and how twiggy left manson for trent (after having a breif love trist with james maynard keenan) poor manson, he lost the love of his life.

[TimothySkold6]

Originally posted by TheBurk
or twiggy. we all know about manson and twiggys break up, and how twiggy left manson for trent (after having a breif love trist with james maynard keenan) poor manson, he lost the love of his life.

I highly doubt that.

[ozebane]

Originally posted by m_absinthe
i'd pay attention if this wasn't such an unbelievably pretentious thread.

This is the interpretations forum. What the fuck did you expect?

[wormboy0]

Originally posted by Nosferatu


Hey! "Snow White", guess what track number it is? 7! as in 7 dwarfs!
lol good point.

[Jaku]

"...I've got an 'F' and a 'C' and I've got a 'K' too, and the only thing I'm missing is a bitch like 'U'..."

You ('U') complete the word 'fuck', which collectively would mean that you (the person be referred to) is only being used to fuck, and that Marilyn's (or the person telling this story) life has become dirt and this is the only thing they can rely on.

Oh, and 'Dandy'- think Arch Dandy.

[bjornwad]

Originally posted by bjornwad
what does Manson mean, "I'm a Dandy in a ghetto with a Snow White smile?" any thoughts?
I'm sorry this wasn't clear, but my question solely concerns the significance of "snow white smile".

[TheBurk]

Originally posted by TimothySkold6
I highly doubt that.

i was being sarcastic. and it makes about as much sense as pretty much anything bjornwad says.

[j_absinthe]

Originally posted by ozebane
This is the interpretations forum. What the fuck did you expect? *hangs head in ignorance and shame*

[bjornwad]

Originally posted by TheBurk
it makes about as much sense as pretty much anything Bjorn says. < Ripley tells the story of why Burke tried to impregnate her and Newt with alien eggs >
http://www.geocities.com/wdsilva/deciding.jpg
Hudson: I say we grease this rat-f_ck son-of-a-bi_ch right now!
Ripley: You know Burke, I don't know which species is worse; you don't see
them f_cking each other over for a goddam percentage!

http://www.scifionline.de/filme/alien/images/burke.jpg
Don't be a Burk!

[Hellhammer]

Aliens

[guillaume]

Originally posted by bjornwad
I'm sorry this wasn't clear, but my question solely concerns the significance of "snow white smile".



besides the obvious reference to cocaine, snow white became huge popular after Disney`s animated film and that record was pretty Disney influenced...


...
¿

[bjornwad]

Originally posted by guillaume
besides the obvious reference to cocaine, snow white became huge popular after Disney`s animated film and that record was pretty Disney influenced I'd overlooked that, thanks guillaume

[Iphigora]

Originally posted by guillaume
besides the obvious reference to cocaine, snow white became huge popular after Disney`s animated film and that record was pretty Disney influenced...


Not only that Snow White was released in 1937. That's the time when the Disney train took off. Thus the connection is understandable, plus Manson has always been one for twisting children's stories. That is assuming he isn't alluding to drugs.

[Stephen Bitch]

I always got the impression with GAOG that the individual songs weren't about one specific thing, but rather the whole album had a theme, they were all basically saying the same thing, but with slight variation.

(s)Ain't is the obligatory bitter sex/love/betrayal song. I'm not sure it relates to anyone specific. Except of course Manson.

[platypus]

u c tis quite simple, mr. manson aint a saint but an angel with the scabbed wings. :D

*yawns*

[SampleOfSoul]

Maybe the song itself isn't about Rose, but the video has many references to her. While Manson is... well, pleasuring himself in the video, we can clearly see his portrait of her in the back of the Woman/Man in white.

[TheBurk]

a side note here, goag is based on the early 1900s to 1930s german art scene. at the time cocaine was seen as a mirical drug and was taken by EVERYONE, drugs were everywhere, its rumored that hitler came up with the final solution while recovering from a gas attack shortly after WWI under the influence of peyote. so during the 20s and 30s id say that cocain was even more popular then it was in the 1980s. just a bit of backstory on the use of cocain in the interwar era.

[iwtv]

Originally posted by TheBurk
a side note here, goag is based on the early 1900s to 1930s german art scene. at the time cocaine was seen as a mirical drug and was taken by EVERYONE, drugs were everywhere, its rumored that hitler came up with the final solution while recovering from a gas attack shortly after WWI under the influence of peyote. so during the 20s and 30s id say that cocain was even more popular then it was in the 1980s. just a bit of backstory on the use of cocain in the interwar era.

A bit off topic, but Hitler tripping peyote! That would be hard to get in Germany; isn't that stuff exclusively in The States? Just a rumor, I know, but interesting.

[TheBurk]

Originally posted by iwtv
A bit off topic, but Hitler tripping peyote! That would be hard to get in Germany; isn't that stuff exclusively in The States? Just a rumor, I know, but interesting.

thats the thing, the dr. hitler had used to live in mexico in a german colony, thats where he got it from, the doctor in question thought it would be a miricle drug.